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Politics : WHO IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN 2004 -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (6106)	11/3/2003 11:22:16 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10965

Don't write off Clark just yet, says Garance Franke-Ruta in The American Prospect: washingtonpost.com <<..."CLARK TAKES THE LEAD IN S.C. This is a big deal -- both for John Edwards, though in a bad way, and for Wesley Clark, who had gone down in several other polls and needed a news boost. Over the past three weeks, Clark has rocketed up to the front of the pack in South Carolina, with 17 percent support, according to a new American Research Group poll. Edwards has spent $600,000 in ads in the state, but only reached 16 percent support in this poll before dropping back to his current 10 percent. Meanwhile Clark, who has only just begun to fight, has lept ahead of him without any advertising at all. Joe Lieberman, Dick Gephardt and Howard Dean were bunched in statistical third in South Carolina, with 8 percent and 7 percent support. "This means we now have polls showing Clark in the lead in South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, California, Illinois (among those closely following the race), Wisconsin and nationwide. He's in second place in Arizona and third in New York, where Dean leads. Dean also leads in New Hampshire, Maryland, Michigan, New Mexico (though this was a pre-Clark poll) and some polls nationwide. He is tied with or in second to Gephardt in Iowa. Gephardt leads in Illinois. Kerry does not lead anywhere that I've seen. . . . "It's hard not to draw the conclusion from these state polls that Clark is the only one of the candidates banking on making his first strong showing in the Feb. 3 and later primary states who currently looks well positioned to do so, even if he does not yet have state infrastructures and boots on the ground. There's been a lot of chatter in D.C. recently about how the air is going out of the Clark campaign, how Clark is melting, and so on. Even from some of Clark's most ardent supporters. I'm not certain I buy this yet."...>>

To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (6106)	11/4/2003 12:38:30 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10965

VOTE FRAUD 2004 Glenn, Now that Australia has created a workable and fair electronic voting system, I'd say it is now absolutely impossible for the U.S. to ever follow this good example. We're stuck with a broken system, a scheme that only a Machiavellian like Karl Rove could love, and one more reason that America is becoming the laughingstock of the world as we decline and fall into a corporate black hole of black-box vote-swindle saturnalia. ******** wired.com Aussies Do It Right: E-Voting By Kim Zetter 02:00 AM Nov. 03, 2003 PT <SNIP> While critics in the United States grow more concerned each day about the insecurity of electronic voting machines, Australians designed a system two years ago that addressed and eased most of those concerns: They chose to make the software running their system completely open to public scrutiny........ "Any transparency you can add to that process is going to enhance the democracy and, conversely, any information you remove from that process is going to undermine your democracy." The issues of voter-verifiable receipts and secret voting systems could be resolved in the United States by a bill thomas.loc.gov introduced to the House of Representatives last May by Rep. Rush Holt (D-New Jersey). The bill would force voting-machine makers nationwide to provide receipts and make the source code for voting machines open to the public. The bill has 50 co-sponsors so far, all of them Democrats. "If a voting system precludes any notion of a meaningful recount, is cloaked in secrecy and controlled by individuals with conflicts of interest, why would anyone buy it?," Quinn said. "At the very least give citizens the right to choose whether they want to use paper ballots ... thus allowing each elector to be personally satisfied as to the integrity of the process in which they are participating." Quinn, who was working in Chicago for Motorola during the 2000 presidential election, says he is "gob smacked" by what he sees happening among U.S. electronic voting machine makers, whom he says have too much control over the democratic process............ <Continues..........>