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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (118617)	11/5/2003 3:12:02 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

You can't change the basic facts with tap dancing. I don't like seeing innocent people being killed by either side, whether targeted, not-targeted, or those who simply were standing around when US troops panicked and opened fire on whoever happened to be there -- and of the thousands of innocent people killed so far the vast majority have been killed by the us military. This war was and is wrong -- and I have no problem agreeing that it is wrong on both sides. For our side, it is wrong because it was unilateral, fought without legitimacy and without benefit of a large contingent of allied troops. It was fought for ideological reasons rather than in self-defense. And it was fought without benefit of professional military post-war planning. We have achieved some measure of lowest common denominator support for a UN occupation, but we are unwilling to let the UN play any meaningful role. As a result we have what we deserve -- no meaningful international support. Now we count our dead, day after day, and have to suffer endless ideological hubris.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (118617)	11/6/2003 12:34:18 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "That wasn't the question.. GST.. Don't take the time to debate anything with me if you can't, or are unwilling to, provide an answer to my questions. The ICRC has been attacked in Iraq. The UN has been attacked in Iraq. The Jordanian embassy was attacked. NONE OF THESE ENTITIES IS OCCUPYING IRAQ." Violence of all sorts is going on in Iraq. It's perpetrated by a wide variety of groups, each with its own unique agenda. All this is complicated, perhaps too complicated for a moron like me to understand. But it's well known among people who read newspapers that a widespread belief among the Iraqis is that Jordan and the UN conspired with the US to conquer Iraq. As to what the Iraqis believe about the ICRC I cannot say. No one has reported any stories about that. I do know is that before Bush started this war, we were losing almost no troops in the Middle East. You've failed to answer my comment that Bush has traded a situation where we could bomb the Iraqis without fear of retribution for a situation where the Iraqis can bomb us with little fear of retribution. Do you admit that this is true? -- Carl