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To: Mike M2 who wrote (266622)	11/10/2003 7:04:45 PM
From: Box-By-The-Riviera™	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

no way dude. it's the tax payer's baby sitting service. learning happens much much much later. we don't need no parental involvument. anywho, the ones which is involvued now is the ones who wants lots of praying, sports and now sex stuff.

To: Mike M2 who wrote (266622)	11/10/2003 8:56:27 PM
From: Knighty Tin	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 436258

Mike, I lived in California and we had the best educational system, Kindergarten through graduate school, in the country when I was a kid. After 8 years of Ronnie Reagan as governor, California only beat the southern states in educational quality. It is easy to see on a high school basis. Go down the line and the liberal states are at the top and the conservative states at the bottom of SAT scores. And the first people conservative politicians attack are "overpaid and underqualfied" teachers, because they are easy scapegoats. That being said, the conservatives are the Satans of education, but the liberals have been demons and imps, themselves. Allowing too many "freedoms" for children is stupid. I don't believe in learning by rote or beating kids for fun, but there has to be some discipline or nothing works. And adopting goofus educational systems and then abandoning them is very much a liberal sin. Yes, parents should be involved. Except both parents usually work to barely support their family. And involvement takes a lot of time when that may not be available. Also, often one parent has flown the coop. And apathy towards their kids is becoming more common. It is sad and I think neither side has the answer now that money for education has become scarce. Except for Iraq, of course.