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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (79195)	11/21/2003 11:52:20 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 82486

"Some might raise "cow rights" or "animal rights" to be the equivalent of human rights. I would not." I would. There is a common misconception that if things are equal they must be the same. Malicious and cruel treatment of cows is wrong. Cows don't have human rights they have cow's rights. The two are equal and not incompatible. The problem comes when PETA (or anyone) arrives on the scene and assumes a cow's point of view as if the cow has human rights. A cow is a beast. Beasts have a different nature than humans. So, when considering a beast’s rights we must also include its natural condition. It is not a violation of a beast’s rights to be slaughtered and eaten since this is its natural condition. We should not automatically conclude that a beast's rights have been violated simply because it has suffered. Beasts suffer and die in a Sahara desert drought, without having been violated. Or that suffering from the loss of a pack member is a violation since social beasts regulate membership in nature and have members violently taken in the course of their existence without concluding that rights have been violated. So when are a cow’s rights violated? When a human being inflicts, cruel and malicious harm on the animal, especially when it is unnecessary. This might be through neglecting one’s responsibility or actual cruel conduct that inflicts unnecessary suffering.

To: TimF who wrote (79195)	11/28/2003 12:04:33 AM
From: Solon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Whether or not you have the right to kill and eat other sentient Beings is a human rights issue. Many people believe we do not have that right; many people believe we do. What do you believe? Do you believe we have the right to kill any and all sentient beings? Does the right depend on "justification"--food, clothing, pleasure...clearing property for development, etc? Is it a qualified right or is it Absolute? What rights do humans have when it comes to killing other creatures who share most of their genes (or even those who don't)? What gives you the "Right" to kill a pig...an intelligent and thinking creature like yourself? Is it the inabilty of the pig to kick your ass which gives you that "Right"?...or is it something else??