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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6092)11/22/2003 4:20:04 PM
From: teevee  Respond to of 15987
 
Bush's agenda in Britain.....

I can only hope one little item on that agenda was for Dubya to ask Blair to secretly authorize a special forces unit whose only job is to bring back OBL's head in a box, no matter how long it takes.



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6092)11/26/2003 10:06:24 AM
From: lorne  Respond to of 15987
 
Islam, a Dangerous Political Ideology --part two
By IPC
Nov 23, 2003, 03:49
iranian.ws

Civilizations Destroyed By Islam:

Civilizations in Arabian Peninsula: 1. Nabatian Kingdom 2. Hejaz Civilization 3. Heira Kingdom (Protectorate of Persian Empire) 4. Yemenese Civilization (Protectorate of Persian Empire) 5. Lakhmid Kingdom 6. Mazun State Society (Protectorate of Persian Empire) 7. Humyarite Kingdom 8. Hadramaut Civilization

Civilizations in Africa: 1. Egyptian Empire 2. Carthaginian Empire (Tunis) 3. Siranaeek Kingdom (Libya) 4. Nubian Kingdom (Sudan)

Civilizations in Asia: 1. Phoenician Civilization (Lebanon) 2. Sham Civilization (Syria, Colony of Rome) 3. Anatolia (Turkey, Colony of Rome)

Civilizations Struggling Not To Die: 1. Persian Empire (Present Iran)

We have been struggling with Islam for 1400 years now. We are still alive! Lets keep our holy Persian Culture alive so we will not join the long list of old civilizations extinct by the Islam & presently called "Just another Arab Muslim State"!


the reason we are still alive is that we still have our:

Persian Language Persian Traditions Persian Celebrations (Norouz, Mehregan, Sadeh, Yalda Night, Chahar Shanbe Souri, Sizda Be Dar, etc.) Persian Values Persian Philosophy (Zoroastrianism, etc.) Persian Literature Persian Traditional Music Persian Poetry (Ferdousi, etc.) Persian History

Yazdgird III, Rostam Farokhzad, Apranik, Babak-e Khoramdin, Maziar, Banoo, Negan, Abu Moslem, Yaqoob Leise Saffari, Ferdousi Toosi, Dr. Ahmad Kasravi, Dr. Kourosh Aryamanesh, Dr. Cyrus Elahi, General Ayat Mohaqeqi & thousands of others did not die in vein. Prove it that they did not die in vein.

They died so Iran could live, so Iran would not become another Arab Muslim Nation, another Iranistan (Pahlavi II), another Cesspool.

10. Lets take a good look at the fundamentals of Islam, what has Islam brought to us Persians? A Religion of Terror which openly preaches martyrdom & destruction of all Non Muslim's (exact verses of Quran listed on other articles of IPC) lives & property, a prophet who was a thief, bandit, assassin, murderer, rapist, child molester, & most of all a charlatan! The most fanatical, ignorant, superstitious religion which ever existed in the whole world! What is the true legacy of Islam?

Aba: Islamic Cape Amameh: Turban Ghaba: another Islamic cover Hejab: women's covering Chaghchoor: women's head cover Charghad: Islamic Scarf Lachak: Traditional Islamic Scarf Roobandeh: Women's face cover Maghana'eh: Women's specific head cover Chador: Veil Giveh: Islamic shoes Nalein: Islamic Flip Flop Aftabeh: Islamic toilet Pitcher Tonban: Islamic Pajama Quran: A 1500 years old pile of garbage torn paper, creation of a sick evil charlatan's mind called Muhammad the Bandit. Muhammad: the prophet of terror himself, a delusional, epileptic, schizophrenic, pedophile, child molester, murderer, assassin, rapist, assaulter of women, female slave holder, criminal charlatan! and of course, 1400 years full of history of blood, murder & terror, Islamic Style, which we are still involved with it specially during the last 22 & 1/2 years as we know it as the Islamic Republic of Iran! And we are still denying that the true Islam is not what IRI practices or Taliban practices, but the true Islam is beautiful as Roses & holier than the holy! Give yourselves a break & open your eyes & mind & smell the true stench of Islam all around you & not just inside the mosque!

11. Do you possibly believe that it is only us, the historians that know of the true nature of Islam? do not kid yourselves! Do you really believe that the President of United States, the Vice, & as a matter of fact the whole government of United States & rest of the Western & civilized world does not know of the true nature of Islam?! Of course they do! All logical knowledgeable politicians do know about the true nature of Islam. Then you might ask that why are they saying & pretending that the true Islam is innocent & all these terrorist movements are sacrilege to Allah & Islam?! I tell you why!

US & The West cannot possibly declare war on Islam & all Muslim. It will be a loosing battle, the same battle that the communism lost, the same battle that USSR lost! Religion is so deep in the blood of the masses & Islam is proposing itself as a religion; therefore, it will be disastrous to fight against people's religion. Remember that religion is the opiate of the masses!

Another reason that the West specifically US, will not declare a war on Islam, is that the best way to fight this so called religion & a dangerous political ideology, is to attack the very roots of it & not the pretty branches of it! By roots, I mean the Fundamentalist Islam which is the original Islam & by the pretty branches, I mean the Neo Islam which is trying to sell the civilized face of Islam to the world. If the West manages to destroy the world wide terrorism of the Islamic kind, it will manage to destroy the fundamentalist Islam & that is where Islam gets it's power from. Once the roots of an ideology is destroyed, the branches shall fall! Neo Islam of the modern Muslims like Shariati, Soroush, Bazargan & Yazdi is nothing but a beautiful facade without a content. Once you take the fundamentals of this ideology out of it, then you have to revise it, & revisionism is worst than the "Death of an Ideology"! the destruction of Soviet Union started when they started to revise Communism. First they revised a bit here & a bit there, until there was nothing left of Leninism & Stalinism. And next thing you know, Communism, Russian style, died out! The power of Islam comes from it's fundamentals, it's fanatical beliefs to control the cattle-like masses of illiterate people & to keep the masses ignorant. Once you take that out of Islam, there will be nothing left but the liquidy Soda Pop Islam of Shariati which is a revision of Islam & an insult to the true Islam. By then, most of the battle will be already fought for!


So have in mind that to declare war on the whole Islam, is nothing but a bad tactic to achieve the ultimate strategy of winning the war against Islam. So why not separate the two Islam to the:

Good Islam, Revised Islam, Neo Islam, True Islam, Holy Islam & Bad Islam, Fundamentalist Islam, Fanatical Islam, Fake Islam, Terrorist Islam

And by the end, when the world's battle against Fundamentalist Islamic Terrorism is done & it will be won, then there will be nothing left of the Islam, but only a facade wallpaper made of revised meaningless confused politically correct Islam of the Modern Neo Islamists which does not even look, sound, or tastes like Islam! And of course this is the best way to get rid of the power of this ideology, divide it in two fractions of fundamentalist & moderate or reformist & then just sit & watch them eat each other alive & chew each other out! Politics at it's best with a spice of logic! So West, specifically US, is doing the best tactic that they can play for the ultimate strategy of weakening Islam & making it loose it's credibility. It is all well calculated my friends.

12. Why is Islam & Islamic nations way behind the world? As I, mentioned in the past, we can notice many reasons:

a. Lack of individual freedom in Islam. b. Lack of independence of free thought in Islam. c. Renaissance happened in Europe, but it never happened in Islamic Nations! There was a Martin Luther in the West, but there was never one in Islamic world! d. Islam did not give anything to history of human civilization, but it only took & took from the cultures which it destroyed, until there was nothing left to take!

Lets expand on this, When Islam invaded the civilized world, it took over one of the two major super powers (Persia) & it took over all Asian colonies of the other one (Rome). Now, if at the time, Islam had a great navy & capability to invade Europe through Constantinaple, & during it's golden days, then Italy would have been also a Shiite Hole like Iran! Thanks & many fortunes that they could not invade main land Europe back then, or the whole Europe would also end up as backwarded as the Muslim states are! Europe would have ended up being as the middle east or North Africa now!


When Islam took over the so many of the world's civilizations, it had nothing to give, yet it had everything to take & gain. If we study the whole history of Islamic Empire in it's glory days, we will notice that the whole Empire ran by the ingenuity of the occupied country's specialists. All the people who ran the Islamic Empire from scientists, politicians, poets, artists, philosophers, writers, etc. were mostly Persian & leastly from other destroyed occupied civilizations under Islam like Egypt, Cartage or Phoenicia! The Arab Savage Barbarians of the peninsula truly had nothing to offer! Due to the reactionary & oppressive nature of Islam, the Islamic Regime did not let any new creative ingenuity to grow in the Empire, yet purposely, it helped killing every ounce of ingenuity & intellectualism which bloomed in the region! Finally all these bloomed flowers from the occupied nations died out & there were nobody else to replace them! suddenly there were left only, Arabs & their oppressed occupied mongrelized nations under occupation with no present or future sign of ingenuity or creation, & thats when Islamic world died out & fell behind the progressive world.

Many, mistakenly name the major Persian minds as Arabic or Islamic! Minds like:

Omar Khayam father of Algebra, Modern Astronomy, & a famous poet Zakaria Razi father of Chemistry Ebne Sina father of Medicine Kharazmi, Birooni, & so many more were all Persian.

Please do not give the credit to Arabs or Muslims! Look at the Moorish example, for about 800 years Moors owned Spain & Iberian Peninsula. The first 400 years, were the glory days of Islam due to the fact that Persians & other defeated civilization's bright minds were carrying the burden of running the Islamic Empire. Even, Booran (Pretty) The Persian Prime Minister of Islamic Empire during Khalifat of Mamoon the Abassids dynasty, during the occupation of Iran by Arab oppressors, daughter of Hassan Sahl was Persian. Yes even the prime minister of Islamic Empire was a Persian Woman! How odd can it get?! the oppressed women of Iran by the evil of Islam, have sent their candidate to the main court house of the Khalifat to rule! and that is what Persian women are made of! during the first 400 years, all the different local khalifats were sending the share of the central Khalifat of Baghdad to the capital, they were all together pillaging & stealing the world, blind! They were united & strong, but during the second 400 years, every little local Khalifat started singing their own songs, & did not send Baghdad's share to them! they all got separated without the support of Baghdad, they all got weak, even the Baghdad Khalifat! And eventually the last strong hold in Europe, the Khalifat of Granada in Spain surrendered & people like El Sid & Queen Isabelle kicked out the last of Muslims out of Iberia. Moorish Empire of Berbers & Arabs destroyed itself in a way & this finished the 800 years of Muslim supremacy in Iberia including Portugal, Spain, & once even as far as the middle of France! Now Muslim Arab Barbarians just occupied Iran for 171 years & finally got kicked out by The Great Yaghoob-e Leis-e Saffari of Saffarids Dynasty, the greatest freedom fighter of them all & the freedom fighting masses of Iran, yet the roots of oppression & the rotting mentality & corps of Islam remained in Iran & in Iranian's brains until it destroyed Iran once more @ 1979 by Khomeini & his Islamic Reaction!



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6092)11/26/2003 8:07:39 PM
From: ChinuSFO  Respond to of 15987
 
Message 18914864



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6092)11/26/2003 8:40:56 PM
From: lorne  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15987
 
President Bush's Appointee to Commission on International Religious Freedom, Prof. Khaled Abou Al-Fadl, Warns Against Reelecting Bush
November 26, 2003 No.616
memri.org

Professor Khaled Abou Al-Fadl, [1] originally of Egypt, was appointed by President George W. Bush to the Commission on International Religious Freedom, where he is the only Muslim member. Recently he gave an interview to the Egyptian government weekly October in which he strongly criticized the American president. The following are excerpts from the interview: [2]

'Bush is a Religious Fundamentalist like Former Colonialists in Muslim Countries'
Question: "What is the truth about the connection between the Islamic organizations in America and the American government, today and in the recent past?"

Prof. Abou Al-Fadl: "Unfortunately, because of shortsightedness and ignorance, the Islamic organizations helped Bush reach the White House. I met with many leaders of these organizations and I told them that I have known Bush well since he was governor of Texas, where I live, and I am familiar with his bad policy, which does not bode well.

"During the election campaign, Bush gave the Islamic leaders a certain status… They lost their equilibrium. They did not listen – not only to me, but also to someone like Ralph Nader, who was a presidential candidate of Arab origin. He met with them and all but pleaded with them not to vote for Bush. He all but kissed their hands so they wouldn't. We told them that he [Bush] is a Christian religious fundamentalist and that the group around him, of the likes of Paul Wolfowitz and others, hold the same beliefs that accompanied colonialism's entrance to the Muslim countries in the 19th century."

'Bush Makes Continued American Aid in the World Contingent Upon Permitting Missionary Activity'
"When Bush came to the presidency, there was a revolution in American policy. He brought in religious Christian people. In the field, Bush permitted missionaries into Iraq before medicines. He is the first president in the history of America whose policy includes supporting Christian missionaries and applying pressure through them on some countries. He links them with continued American aid to some countries.

"Bush says that he respects Islam and wants to spread democratic standards in the Islamic countries. When we ask him what exactly these democratic standards that he calls for are, he has no answer, as if Islam was permitted to exist only provided that it was Islam according to American standards. I say also that unfortunately, there were at first some hesitations in the American administration regarding the raid on Afghanistan, but when it was carried out, it cost much less than they expected, and this spurred them on, in a way reminiscent of intoxication and drunkenness, to start thinking of invading Iraq, Syria, and Iran, and of changing the map of the region."

'20% of U.S. Soldiers in Iraq Suffer from Mental Conditions'
Question: "What is American public opinion on what is happening in Iraq?"

Prof. Abu Al-Fadl: "In Congress, I heard testimony by soldiers and officers regarding the mental illness and nervous conditions that have struck the American soldiers in Iraq. An officer who reported in his testimony on disorders that harmed soldiers [said] that this loss was greater than the military loss; the disorders [struck] 20% of the soldiers. Some of them were panic-stricken in their sleep and wet themselves, not only because of the [Iraqi] resistance, but also because of the lies of the government that had convinced the soldiers that the Iraqis would greet them with flowers…

"In several articles I wrote for The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times, I predicted what would happen. The White House wrote to me and asked me: 'How did you know?!' I told them, from analysis, from studying history, and from political science, I knew that this is what would happen. [I told them,] 'You were misled by the situation in Afghanistan, but the resistance will increase and if you intervene in Syria and Iran, even double the sum you are requesting [from Congress] will not meet your needs, and the Shi'ites will rise up against you.'"

Question: "Does this mean that the danger of invasion has passed for Syria and Iran?"

Prof. Abu Al-Fadl: "It [would be] inaccurate to say this… If Bush manages to remain for a second term, the considerations will change, because then he won't care about his political future and he can gamble on an erroneous policy.

"The changed situation led the president's advisors to suggest to him that Israel play a role in the countries that America wants to invade or whose regime it wants to change. On this matter, I told the State Department and President Bush's representative [whom I met] in the White House: 'If Israel attacks Syria and Iran, the entire Islamic world will say that it is doing so with American approval and cooperation, even if America disavows it.' They thanked me and said that they would examine the matter…"

Question: "On the personal level, do you think that you have an influence on American policy?"

Prof. Abu Al-Fadl: "…I had an influential role in the past, and I even got to the point of determining the [U.S.] deployment plan of withdrawal from Iraq. I did not win that battle, but I managed to obtain a promise from the American government that it would withdraw soon."

Question: "You speak as if you are a one-man pressure group on the American administration."

Prof. Abu Al-Fadl: "I have the authority and promises from the American administration that what I say is taken into account, and that it is of interest. I do not waste my time. I told them this and I added: 'Either the promises you are giving me will be realistic, or everything is a lie, and I'll quit and go back to my academic post.'" [3]



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (6092)11/27/2003 8:59:32 PM
From: lorne  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15987
 
Sharia in Canada
Canadian Muslims are taking steps to set up Sharia law to adjudicate disputes within their own communities. Law Times News reports that "a recent convention of Muslim community leaders" has "elected a 30-member council which will work towards establishing a Darul-Qada (a judicial tribunal), to be known as the Islamic Institute of Civil Justice (Canada)." (Thanks to kathyshaidle, relapsed catholic.)

The article says that "the convention is the latest step in a long struggle to have Islamic law recognized in Canada. Shariah is a complex and sophisticated body of law based on religious principles. Muslims must resolve all their commercial and personal disputes according to its tenets."

Sharia is also a comprehensive system of societal laws, including ones that mandate the institutionalized subjugation of non-Muslims (dhimmitude) and the waging of jihad against them. Many Muslims believe that once a Muslim community becomes a majority in any nation, Sharia must be instituted there. Has Canada just taken the first step?

To be sure, right now this is simply an arbitration board for personal and business disputes. But it could easily become more, particularly if it receives official recognition from supine, dhimmi Canada.

The article says that Muslims have had difficulty living by the Sharia in Canada: "This has been extremely difficult when there have only been individuals and ad hoc committees providing legal advice and limited mediation and arbitration services. Most dispute resolution has been conducted by Imams, who are learned men connected with local mosques.

"Legal scholars, known as ulama, are thin on the ground in North America. Their knowledge is essential in adjudicating complex issues.

"One of the key obstacles to establishing an Islamic legal institution identified by a number of speakers was a lack of unity and organizational strength. While the Muslim community is the largest minority in Canada, over one million strong, it is made up of groups from many different countries and different schools of Islam. Each group has organized its own activities and there has been no common cause.

"Organizer B. Husain Bhayat was heartened by the turnout. The two main groups - Sunni and Shi'ite - were both represented and there were many Imams and leaders of organizations. . . . The president of the convention was barrister Syed Mumtaz Ali, who struck the first blow in the campaign for recognition of Islamic law in 1962. He was the first lawyer to swear his oath of allegiance on the Koran.

"Syed explained the law of minorities as it is set down by the Shariah. Muslims in non-Muslim countries are required to follow the Shariah to the extent that it is practical."

Unmentioned in this article is whether they discussed the status of non-Muslims in Muslim countries, or the means set down by Islamic law for the transition of a state from non-Muslim to Muslim status.

"'The law applies as if to Bedouin wanderers,' he said. 'We are required by our own law to follow the laws of the country and to follow our own laws. We have a double obligation. You don't have to be the wisest man to see there will be conflicts. . . .'

"Syed explained that until recent changes in the law, Canadian Muslims have been excused from applying Shariah in their legal disputes.

"Arbitration was not deemed to be practical because there was no way to enforce the decisions. Syed said the laws have recently changed with amendments to the Arbitration Act."

But now all that has changed, and secular Canadian courts apparently will have no jurisdiction in matters handled by this new Darul-Qada. "Now," says Syed, "once an arbitrator decides cases, it is final and binding. The parties can go to the local secular Canadian court asking that it be enforced. The court has no discretion in the matter."
jihadwatch.org