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Politics : Piffer Thread on Political Rantings and Ravings -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: X Y Zebra who wrote (12085)	1/13/2004 3:31:07 PM
From: MulhollandDrive	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14610

one of the problems i have not heard adequately addressed is the statistic that i keep seeing turning up over and over about the mexican creating a net drain of approximately $55K per individual as long as we provide the social service incentive (especially in the area of healh care) i personally don't see how we gain economic traction by importing cheap labor i have an example i'll relate to you via pm (personal situation) in how the employment of legal mexicans are costing jobs.

To: X Y Zebra who wrote (12085)	1/13/2004 4:15:58 PM
From: MrLucky	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14610

I am relatively familiar with the German/Turkish situation, but not really, as I am ignorant of its historical origins, (and frankly, a fail to understand the "logic" that led to the program), but I knew of its existence and in my days of European horsing around, I met a few Germans and Turks who expressed their opinions to me, and of course, my own observations of it. The Germans imported Turks for three reasons: (1) Their country was divided by the wall which impacted worker availability. (2) The vast majority of their work force was dead as a consequence of the War. (3) Turk labor was cheap and "would be easy to send back". Number (3) didn't happen though since life in a rebuilt Germany was far better than in Istanbul, Ankara or Izmir.

To: X Y Zebra who wrote (12085)	1/14/2004 10:11:29 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14610

Wow. That was long! But informative. Thanks for that... Granted that very little can be done to keep people coming in from a relatively open border of 3,000 kms, perhaps something can be done to reduce chances of employment of people without US residence or nationality. The issue with Turks coming to Germany as "guest workers" is rather different. The two countries are pretty far apart. Apparently, Germany needed workers (lots of) for the factories - menial jobs that were not in favour with Germans, I suppose (this was before the collapse of the Berlin Wall). I gave the example so you would rethink the merits of the "guest worker" program - I very much doubt if any of these "guests" left Germany :-)