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To: elmatador who wrote (45197)1/24/2004 10:22:46 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum  Respond to of 74559
 
The special values of the US can easily implemented with any people: Then why have African and many other American countries had so much trouble ?

Can and can easily are different...



To: elmatador who wrote (45197)1/25/2004 10:16:08 AM
From: que seria  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
elmat: I like your optimism, but have to question your sense of history.

How comes those Nazis are law abiding Germans today? The only thing changed was the Basic Law.

How comes those imperialists, militarist Japanese are those nice people, who are my neighbors here and in BKK?

Why was that possible?


It was possible because evil men and ideas took hold of nations that were largely populated by the good people you see everywhere, then those leaders led their nations into such ruinous devastation that their status was smashed and their ideas discredited. The U.S. then assisted (morally, financially, intellectually, and by force of arms) the civilized elements of those nations in restoring the nations to their people, from whom they'd been hijacked.

Are you suggesting that Brazil and Nigeria have been hijacked from their people, as opposed to having the kind of government and rules that most of their voters want?

I realize the historical facts about Europe and Japan, post-war, are inconvenient for those who prefer to demonize the U.S. To spare you and Yiwu <g> the immediately felt burden of finding counter-examples, I'll stipulate they exist. No one's perfect. Certainly our gov't is far from it, although much closer than gov'ts of our loudest detractors.

and Why is it impossible to put it in, say, Brazil or Nigeria?

I answer for you: There is a established governing elite there and it is no longer morally accepted to impose rules onto other people, even though those rules would work to the benefit of those upon which the rules are being imposed


I take that to mean that a certain feckless, sunny, and unique tropical civilization (you know the one) doesn't have the cultural/moral attributes that prompt or even enable the people to insist upon (not just tolerate) the beneficial rules.

Sadly for U.S. citizens, but perhaps pleasingly for many others, it has become ever more apparent in my lifetime that the U.S. is losing those attributes at a rapid rate, and is (as some article I read declared) an "undeveloping" nation.



To: elmatador who wrote (45197)1/25/2004 1:30:15 PM
From: smolejv@gmx.net  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
>>The special values of the US can easily implemented with any people<< ... Let's us all help US easily implement them in Iraq. Piece o cake: just change the Basic Law.

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