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To: TobagoJack who wrote (45506)	2/3/2004 3:55:12 AM
From: BubbaFred	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<<97% of the local economy is in the hands of ... oh, you know the rest.>> There is no question nor doubt about that. Even the existing government and economists realize this. Chinese New Year celebrations in many cities this year. Even the Muslim party realizes the importance of the Chinese to Indonesian economy. Contrast this to the US darling and trained Suharto. During his era, his cronies controlled most aspects of the economy in the utmost corruption way. Indonesian economy was stiffled for three decades, much like Ferdinand's Phillippines. Suharto's relatives even wanted to take over East Timor for themselves. United Nations stopped them. Small parallel but is precedessor to GWBush taking over Iraq oil for his conglomerate. And the majority of people believe whatever the power in charge tells them, here today in the US or back then in Indonesia. Who says US leaders cannot learn the corrupt ways of the third world countries. Who says a highly educated society would know the difference what propaganda is fed to them? The culmination of Suharto's regime was the rampage against the Chinese population in late 1990's. There was mere lip service investigation on that rioting and looting on Chinese businesses, and the forced sex rampage. Some reports suggested it was the last hurrah days or party time for Suharto's goons to get whatever they could loot before they lost their jobs. It occured after Suharto had lost the election and just before transfer to the new administration. Philippines Ferdinand and Indonesia Suharto are two of the best US trained corrupted leaders in Southeast Asia.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (45506)	2/3/2004 10:19:30 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Jay, <<<... has our discussion degenerated to such an extent in just two rounds, and we must rely on obvious taunts. 50 students? are you sure?>>> Didn't mean it as a taunt. I was trying to use exaggeration to take my point to a logical conclusion. Does it matter if it's 50, 500, or even 5000? It's a very small number when we are talking about more than 1,000,000,000 people <<<... you must detect more diligently, and in China, sitting next to the South Koreans, studying, preparing for the future.>>> I admit I am very lazy when it comes to this kind of stuff. Nontheless, when CSL surfaces on my radar, I will probably become more diligent. <<< ... and yet, even with all the difficulties and uneven playing fields, 97% of the local economy is in the hands of ... oh, you know the rest.>>> I hope the Chinese get to do it better than us. Aren't there anybody here smart enough to unnerstand murrican...> <<<... Oh, I see, and the East is about hiding knowledge and denying the truth? Surely not.>>> I think you knew what I meant. This is somewhat disingenuous (sp?) especially coming from an Ivy Leaguer. <<< due to the lack of second language abilities of many native English-speakers, and in that, a distinct disadvantage in seeking for strands of truth and digging out morsels of knowledge.>>> I admit (again) that I am somewhat lazy in this regard. However, I have a lot faith in our capitalist system. If there are morsels of knowledge out there, there will be someone out there, not too different from the likes of you, who will dig it out for me and make money from it in perhaps a "Morsels of Knowledge for Dummies" <GGGG> rgrds, Mary