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To: Robert O who wrote (176803)	2/3/2004 8:42:50 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

Robert, your outrage towards Amy's comment about US fostering creativity strikes me as unusual. The current dogma, whether true or not, is that the US educational system fosters creativity. I remember a few years ago, when I was working for a Korean CEO- I was complaining about my staff and his reply was a somewhat flippant "yeah but you went to american schools so you know how to think for yourself". He had just come from Korea... my belief is that he had this perception about the American system before he came here. I looked for an article to support this common perception that american schools teach creativity. I did come up with this which conveys that message as subtext only. Chinese schools get creative High standards are the norm in this Chinese school. But can students think creatively? csmonitor.com

To: Robert O who wrote (176803)	2/3/2004 9:42:26 PM
From: Saturn V	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

I think that your outrage was uncalled for, and is in questionable taste. I agree with Amy that the US educational system fosters more creativity than other systems. You will realize it most in Japan. The Japanese are taught as children that "nails that stick out must be hammered down". The Japanese are extremely diligent, but are very risk averse. The Loss of Face due to the failure of a new venture or new idea, is unacceptable. That is why consensus is critical in any decision in Japan. Failure is more acceptable if everyone else also arrived at the same conclusion, or a major market leader also makes the same mistake. Japanese excel at constant incremental improvement.Any radical or new idea will be immediately laughed down, while in the US it is likely to get a polite hearing. However the Japanese are creative in the small steps which they take, when the risk of failure and ridicule is low. The Chinese Confucian culture also shares several elements of the Japanese culture. Both cultures value hard work over smarts. "I may not be as smart as you,but I can work ten times harder, and in the end I will win." Several other educational systems stress memorization skills at the expense of reasoning skills.

To: Robert O who wrote (176803)	2/4/2004 8:40:00 AM
From: GVTucker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

From Amy J: Also, the USA school system fosters extremely creative thinking. From Robert O: This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever read. Did you GO to school here???? Do you have any evidence to back up such a strong statement? I don't have anything specific either way, but if I were forced to make a choice, I'd sooner side with Amy than you.