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To: GraceZ who wrote (17517)	2/19/2004 7:36:47 AM
From: KyrosL	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

Your back of the envelope estimate is incorrect You are wrong. My back of the envelope estimate is pretty accurate. Here is an estimate of the average age of murder victims in the US for 1998. cambridgepolice.org The average age of male murder victims is mid-twenties, the average female forty. Given that 77% are male and 23% female, average age is 28.5 years. Now lets see how such a murder rate will affect a population of 100,000 that lived for, say, 80 years. Assuming a murder rate of 4 per 100,000 per year (the excess rate of the US over other industrialized countries), after 80 years 804 (320) of the 100,000 would have been murdered at an age of 28 (the average), while the rest would have died at 80. Therefore, the average life span would be: (32028 + 99,680*80)/100,000 = 79.83 Theferore, a murder rate of 4 per year per 100,000 reduces the average life span of this population by 0.17 years or 2.04 months.

To: GraceZ who wrote (17517)	2/20/2004 2:03:15 PM
From: Wayners	Respond to of 306849

In 1999, 28,874 Americans were killed with firearms--in homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings. Homicides is a broad category that makes the uniformed immediately assume a homicide is a murder. It is not a murder, it is simply the killing of another person. There are justifiable homicides and murders. As written, the number includes justifiable homicides by police officers and citizens defending themselves against violent offenders. Suicides are the biggest component number. Unintentional shootings are the vast minority of deaths. Guns cause the death of 9 young people (those 19 years of age and under) each day in this country. A lot of violent criminal gang bangers can be too easily added to this misleading number, and are. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children under age 15 is nearly 12 times higher than that among children in 25 other industrialized nations combined. One has to assume the nations picked were cherry picked. Lets see the list of countries. More Americans were killed by guns during the 18-year period between 1979 and 1997 than in all U.S. military battles since 1775. I count up 730,000 combat deaths in the U.S. military from this link: marcdupuis.com There would need to be MORE than an average of 40,555 firearm deaths each year during that 18 year period for that statement to be true. IF the 1999 number provided is close to the average, then this statement provided is not true. Again, "firearm deaths" includes justifiable homicides.