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To: Ilaine who wrote (30678)	2/21/2004 1:44:27 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793804

It's not about "the Jews." That's absurd. It's about hypocrites, and liars, who pretend to be holy but are corrupt But CB, the Jews are the Pharisees and the Pharisees are the Jews. The Gospels are referring to rabbinical thought, which after the destruction of the Temple and the Sadduccees, became the center of Judaism. These quotes reflect the schism when the rabbis refused to become Christians and the Christians left the synagogue.

To: Ilaine who wrote (30678)	2/21/2004 8:52:14 AM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793804

As for me, I am not arguing that the Gospels are as fantastic as the Odyssey or the legends of King Arthur. I realize I am trying to describe color to a blind woman, but thought I'd give it a try. What you argued was that it didn't make any difference whether the Gospels were as fantastic as the Odyssey or the legends of King Arthur. I have argued that if the myth of the Odyssey offered grave danger to a people who already suffered gravely from earlier infusions of that myth, and if the myth of the Odyssey were on Wednesday to be presented dramatically and emotionally as historical truth, then, Cobe, the untruth of the myth does "make a difference," if not to you. Faith is the will to believe in the absence of evidence, Cobe. It's a form of voluntary blindness. The faith of yours you allude to in your spirited if goofy defense of the idea of this misleadingly advertised movie will be, if it kicks in when you see the movie, not only in the myths of the Gospel, but in those of "The Dolorous Passion," a book that will "melt a heart of stone," one hears, with the detail offered by its author of the suffering of Jesus and of his mother's participation, inflammatory details available by courtesy of the "visions" of a nun. Visions and myths. It makes a difference if it makes a difference. The Jews, not you, will be the ones to know.

To: Ilaine who wrote (30678)	2/21/2004 8:54:24 AM
From: E	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793804

siliconinvestor.com From N: And in addition, the accusation of murder was directed not at the Pharisees, but at the Sadducean priests, the Jews who collaborated with Roman rule. And the Gospel-writers are quite capable of specifying that they're talking about Pharisees, when they are. The translations indicate a global attack on First Century Judaism. Understandable, because this was the moment when the Jesus sect was being removed from the synagogues. And as defining proof of this, the recent exercise by the Catholic Church to apologize for and revise the clear anti-Semitic import of the polemical Gospels was offering atonement not for unjust things said about Pharisees, but about the Jews as a whole. The church of Mel Gibson, and his father, rejects this gesture, btw.