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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (46807)	2/29/2004 2:05:26 PM
From: BubbaFred	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hmm, those infrastructure needs maintenance, upkeep, and upgrades to higher operating efficiency. Nice to see some new folks to pay for their share. Such sweet deal for the ole timers for not having to pay the full brunt of the costly upgrade and higher efficiency improvement with QCOM technology. You just need to sit back and enjoy the fruits from the QCOM end. Just make sure you know when to say thank you. Heck, if you did know when to say thank you back in 1999-200, you could be a Shanghai landlord today. Tsk, tsk, tsk!

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (46807)	2/29/2004 7:01:42 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

NZ wants to import tax payers and for the "privilege" to pay taxes the newcomers have to pay? See, those NZ single mothers and the customs officers who harrass you at arrival nneed their money to be paid by the newcomers efforts.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (46807)	3/1/2004 9:02:16 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<<<Unfortunately, they bring with them the cultural norms which are what created the place they came from.>>> We could debate this forever. But you are absolutely wrong. Take for example the Irish in the United States or almost any group of people that have come to the US. For the most part people who were successful in Ireland didn't leave Ireland. The people that came to the US were servants and manual laborers who didn't have a chance to make it Ireland. They like a lot of Europeans were from the lower classes. When you are from the lower classes you had no chance to advance. - no matter what talents you may have. But they came to the Unites States and succeeded in large numbers - making contributions to society that could not have taken place at home. At the same time they brought with them the best that Ireland had to offer. This happened again and again. With every race, ethnic group, and nationality. There are more successful Greeks, Polish people, Italians in the US than in their native homeland. When you come to the US, you will notice there is lot of energy. People are in the cars at 6AM on the highways going to work. We work more hours and more days than Europeans. There are always newer groups coming in and they start at the bottom of the totem pole. They have to work their way up. If they maintain some of their old habits (bad onse), they are not going to make it here. What you are expressing is the maintenance of the status quo from people who have finally made it. The same thing happens in Corporations. Once a company becomes successful, they want to maintain the status quo - or what they think made them successful. That is not going to work. The world is going to be getting more competitive all the time. You have to reinvent yourself over and over again if you want to remain on top. Aristocratic tendancies are not going to work. It's what have you you done for me lately. You aren't going to be able to rest on your laurels. The Barbarians are at the gate. You have to keep the garbage out, but you have to let some of them in and make things uncomfortable for the old foggies. Mary