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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (46841)	3/1/2004 2:45:01 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

Mary, maybe if the USA let in as many immigrants as New Zealand does, proportionately, you'd have a different view. I understand all that stuff you wrote and the legends about the unwashed, poor and huddled masses flocking to the light held high, yearning to breathe free. I see no crowds at Ellis Island now! Living on legend are we? If the USA simply opened its borders to all who wanted to enter, would you be in favour of that? No? Okay, that means you are a prostitute, and we are just haggling over the price [to quote an old joke]. You aren't in favour of random immigration. You are just like me, in favour of very selective immigration. I happen to think that being a citizen with saleable property rights, rather than just a state serf, is a better way to run a railroad. You think the status quo is better. Funny that you think it's me who is the status quoist, resting on laurels, when it's you. I'm discussing a revolution in immigration, citizenship and human rights. You are saying let's stick with what we think made us great, don't rock the boat, keep things the same: <What you are expressing is the maintenance of the status quo from people who have finally made it. The same thing happens in Corporations. Once a company becomes successful, they want to maintain the status quo - or what they think made them successful. > It's funny that when new ideas come up, people automatically deny them, scavenging around for reasons they won't work or are bad in some way. It's the old Luddite reaction to the new. People just love the status quo in their comfort zone. Mary, it's funny that you think it's me who is wanting to maintain the status quo. Mqurice

To: Mary Cluney who wrote (46841)	3/1/2004 8:33:47 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Mary! I agree with your description of the past inflow of immigrants. Today is a different story. There are a lot of useless immigrants seeking only the easy goodies governments lavish on their citizens. This causes a backlash against immigrants who are seen - as MQ points- as comnpeting with the locals for the goodies delivered to the locals. I advocate mass migration as a guy applying for a job in Arizona, an American applying for a job in Malaysia, a Thai aplying to a job in Japan, a Japanese in Russia and so it goes. And that I can tell you, is going to be implemented sooner or later. Just watch. Just like that: match the rework with the person willing to do it at an agreed price. If the guy likes the place, the people, he may end up settling there, buying real estate, putting kids to school and live there. In fact the US HB-1 visa was such a deal as "Green Card" program for Germany. What is NOT going to work is to try to get - as some simple unrealistic minds thing- only Barishnikov and Navratilova and keep the others out. Just look what happen when Bush blocked foreigners and HB-1 is being curtailed: Jobs are being outsourced.