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To: Skywatcher who wrote (45790)3/20/2004 1:26:07 AM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
DEBKA??

Re: Not sure how accurate Debka is (they claim they are all the time <g>),

Debka.com is run ex-Mossad agents, as far as they are willing to divulge. They are ultra-Zionists. You do recall Mossad's motto, right?

"By means of deception, though shalt wage war."

If Debka says black, I'm thinking white.

They do have enough of a track record of enough accurate "scoops" to maintain something of a following on the Web, but you must be deeply suspicious of their motivation on any story they publicize. If you remain skeptical and view Debka as propaganda for the Greater Israel crowd, you'll avoid embarrassments in the future.



To: Skywatcher who wrote (45790)3/20/2004 2:28:32 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Respond to of 50167
 
The latest from war front....

38 terrorists killed in Wana, 8 arrested


ISLAMABAD: Around 38 insurgents, including many foreigners, were killed and eight arrested as the military cornered up to 400 heavily armed fighters believed to be protecting a “high value target” near Wana in South Waziristan Agency.

Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director Maj Gen Shaukat Sultan stated this at a press briefing on the operation.

dailytimes.com.pk
“Three hundred to 400 militants may be holed up in that area,” spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan told a press briefing. “We assume that there could possibly be a high value target but we do not know who it could be.”

Gen Sultan said eight “terrorists” including five foreigners had been apprehended, but stressed there was “no specific intelligence” relating to Zawahri’s presence.

“At least two terrorists” were killed, he said, one of them when a group of 10 tried to break through the cordon.

He dismissed reports that Al Qaeda No 2 Ayman Al-Zawahri had managed to escape. “From the cordon we have put around these places, we are certain nobody would have escaped,” he said.

He said there was no possibility about the presence of Osama Bin Laden in the area but the presence of Dr Zawahri could not be ruled out.

“We received material reports indicating the presence of Dr Zawahri in the area,” he said.

Gen Sultan said the fighters killed and arrested during the operation included Arabs and Chechens. “Those apprehended are being interrogated, while DNA tests of those killed will confirm their identity,” Gen Sultan told journalists.

He said security forces had found a huge cache of arms and a mobile phone from those killed and apprehended during the operation. “If it comes to using more force, we have that capacity.” He said the people of the area could still surrender, as the amnesty period had not expired.

Iqbal Khattak adds: Al Qaeda suspects and their local supporters were mounting stiff resistance on Friday in South Waziristan Agency.

The operation against suspected Al Qaeda and Taliban terrorists, which began on Thursday morning, continued through the night and was under way till Friday evening without a let-up, a military source told Daily Times on the phone from Wana, as thousands of army reinforcements joined the major offensive.

Heavy guns fired through the night and Cobra helicopter gunships and artillery hit targets where suspected Al Qaeda elements and their local protectors were holding out, as fighting spread to two more villages. Earlier, the fighting was concentrated in three villages.

“Helicopter gunships fired rockets at houses in Sheen Warsak area, five miles southwest of Wana,” a resident of Karikot neighbourhood told Daily Times on the phone. The residents were streaming out of the besieged region with their families and belongings, he added.

Four local tribesmen were reported injured in the latest offensive against Al Qaeda. “We cannot attack a fort-like house in Kaloosha because we suspect our paramilitaries and two political administration officials missing since March 16 are being held hostage there,” a security official in Wana told Daily Times.

Brig (r) Mehmood Shah, security chief for the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), told Daily Times, “We are closing in on them. Their defence seems to be dying down. Either they’ve run out of ammunition or they want to surprise us when we get closer.”

He said a new front against Al Qaeda suspects could be opened in North Waziristan Agency where four army jawans, including a major, died in two incidents on Thursday. A tribal journalist told Daily Times he saw an army vehicle take away 15 men with their faces covered.

Brig Shah denied rumours that Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden had been captured in the territory. A government official in the border region who asked not to be named said 15 soldiers had been killed in the fighting since Thursday.

President General Pervez Musharraf on Friday attended a briefing on the ongoing operation in Wana.



To: Skywatcher who wrote (45790)3/20/2004 2:34:14 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
The operation in South Waziristan Agency continued on Friday with exchange of small to heavy arms fire, said Director-General of the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Maj-Gen Shaukat Sultan on Friday.

The army and para-military soldiers have cordoned off about 50 kilometre area, he said adding about 300 to 400 foreign and local terrorists are present at about seven targets in the agency.

He said two abortive attempts were made by the terrorists to run away in vehicles on Friday. Two terrorists including one foreigner were killed, he said. Four terrorists, one of them foreigner, have been apprehended while nine returned to their hideouts in the area. He said the DNA test of killed terrorists would be taken to ascertain their identification.

About the type of battle going on, he said normally guerrillas avoid a pitched battle but in this case since they had been surrounded, they were using small arms, rockets and rocket propelled grenades. He said so far there was no close fighting. He said the distance between the terrorists and the security forces where small arms were being used was about half a kilometre and where heavy weapons were being used it is longer.

The ISPR DG said the security forces would try to overcome the resistance with minimum use of force and capture maximum people alive. However, he said, if it comes to using more force, the forces have that capacity. Responding to a question he said that the forces have not captured any relative of high value target.

Authorities have received some vital information from miscreants captured during the ongoing operation in South Waziristan, he said. "We have received some vital and time-sensitive information from those captured in Wana but it is not proper time to disclose it," he said.

He said the authorities have no confirmed reports about presence of high-value targets in South Waziristan. "But the presence of high-value targets in Wana cannot be ruled out because of the way the miscreants are putting up resistance," he said.

Sultan said security forces recovered huge cache of arms and a mobile phone from the dead and captured persons. Responding to another question he said there were no American troops on the ground on Pakistani side of the border but a few American personnel are assisting Pakistan in technical intelligence.

He also dispelled an impression that the current operation has coincided with the arrival of US Secretary of State Colin Powell in Islamabad saying that the operation in Waziristan started on January 8 this year.

Maj-Gen Shaukat Sultan said it was merely a speculation that anybody had escaped from South Waziristan Agency during the ongoing operation. "The women and children who vacated the area were properly searched and it was ensured that no terrorist escapes," he said. He said the operation has been launched in the interest of Pakistan to ensure that extremism is rooted out from society. It is in Pakistan’s vital interest that no terrorist uses Pakistani soil for any terrorist activity.

Agencies add: An estimated 300 to 400 tribesmen and foreigners hunkered down on Friday in
mud fortresses, exchanging fire with the Pakistani troops. As the fighting raged, hundreds of civilians poured out of the battle zone in South Waziristan, some injured and others carrying their meagre possessions. Many said they knew nothing about the militants hiding in their midst, and expressed outrage at the scale of the army’s assault. Authorities said they hope to wrap up the raid "during the next 48 hours," a deadline that would end on Sunday afternoon.

The forces were joined by about "a dozen or so" American intelligence agents, who were "assisting Pakistan in technical intelligence and surveillance," said Sultan. He gave no details.

Villagers around Wana reported a lull in the fighting on Friday afternoon, amid efforts by tribal elders to mediate an end to the bloodshed. In Karikot, a town just a few kilometres from the scene of the heaviest fighting, elders convened an emergency Jirga to discuss the situation, accusing the Army of breaking long-standing agreements for conduct in the semiautonomous region.

At the private Rehman Medical Complex in Wana, two young sisters, Haseena, 10 and Asmeena, 2, received first aid after being struck by shrapnel. The girls’ 12-yaer-old brother Din Mohammed was killed when a shell landed near their house in Kaga Panga, a village near the fighting.

Other villagers who had fled to Wana said heavy guns fired through the night and jet fighters were visible in the area, as fighting spread on Friday to two more tribal villages. Residents reported seeing scores of army trucks carrying troops and weapons moving from Wana to the target areas.

A senior security official said Zawahri may have narrowly escaped Tuesday’s raid and a Taliban spokesman claimed both Zawahri and bin Laden were safe in Afghanistan. "He may have slipped the net," the official, asking not to be named, told AFP.

The frenzied speculation was triggered by the sighting of a foreigner being whisked away at high speed in a bullet-proof vehicle on Tuesday when paramilitaries searching for tribesmen were attacked. The Land Cruiser burst out of a tribal compound, two other Land Cruisers emerged to protect it, and scores of fighters appeared from several directions, hurling grenades and firing at the paramilitaries.

The entire unit of 50 troops was "virtually wiped out," the official said. "The way he was whisked away, the way fighters sprang from nowhere, that made us believe that if it was not Osama, and we’re sure it was not, that it was his deputy," the official said.

Some 50 al-Qaeda operatives fleeing South Waziristan had fled to the Afghan frontier towns of Urgun, Gayan and Barmal, where sympathy for the Taliban runs high, an Afghan military officer said.

A Taliban spokesman, Abdul Samad, told AP in a phone interview that both al-Zawahri and Osama are alive and hiding inside Afghanistan, far from the Pakistani guns. "Muslims of the world, don’t worry about them, these two guests, they are fine," he said.

Sultan said two militants were killed on Friday, and eight captured. Among those captured were five foreigners, seized along with a large cache of weapons. At least 43 people, 17 soldiers and 26 suspected militants, were killed earlier this week in fighting in the area.

jang.com.pk