To: X Y Zebra who wrote (5761 ) 3/21/2004 5:59:57 PM From: Raymond Duray Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20039 X Y Zebra, You pose an interesting series of questions, but first I have one for you. You say: Yes, and Villainy is the business of government, and so is of Anarchism... That is certainly news to me. I've never, ever had anyone suggest a coercive force like government is in the business of Anarchy. That is completely counter-intuitive. Whatever do you mean by this comment? *** Re: Pearl Harbor and Roosevelt's provocation and foreknowledge. It's all very well documented. I've read a very convincing study of the matter: "Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor" by Robert Stinnett amazon.com Stinnett documents the provocation which was based on a Naval Intelligence officer's memorandum, the ability of the U.S. code breakers to read the Japanese "Purple" diplomatic code as of early 1941, and the ability of the Naval radio command to triangulate and estimate the location of the Japanese attack fleet on its approach to Pearl Harbor. A sneak attack, similar to the Japanese attack on the Russian fleet at Port Arthur in 1904 was what the U.S. planners expected and got. Brief description of the Port Arthur sneak attack: spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk *** Re: The reason for this was that Europe needed the American help, particularly Russia, From what I've read, it was Churchill who helped Roosevelt fashion the "Lend-Lease" program which started the flow of war materiel to the UK and to Russia. I have an uncle who was a merchant seaman on some of the lend-lease convoys to Murmansk. *** Re: Why 9/11? In your eyes, what was/is the compelling reason that the "powers that be" needed this sort of disaster and human sacrifice so as to let it happen ? (if not ouright provoked/initiated it too ?) In a word, greed. Just like Czar Nicholas II was interested in Manchuria as a vast storehouse of natural wealth, the Bush/Perle/Halliburton cabal is driven by greed. In Perle's case, he's a criminally insane Zionist, and he's been able to take over a huge swath of the Pentagon apparatus with his fellow-travelers. There is an essential element of tribalism and religious hysteria to their motivation. Take a look at this list and ask yourself whether this represents a cross section of America, or of the Likudnik Party? Message 19913776 Message 19914142 The Comptroller of the Pentagon is an ordained Rabbi?!? There is something sick about this joke. *** The necessity for "a New Pearl Harbor" is part of the PNAC planning document dated September, 2000: Message 18985886 terraknowledge.net You'll love this quote from "Rebuilding America's Defenses" : "And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool." Does that sound like rebuilding "defenses" to you? No? It didn't to me either. It sounded outright aggressive and forthrightly malevolent. Not a bit like defense. *** Re: Why. Tell me something that would tie all the speculation and questions without these being wild speculations. If you peruse the entire oeuvre of PNAC literature (here's a good start): Message 18051067 And add to that a dollop of Zionist paranoia from one of PNAC's main organizers, Richard Perle: cooperativeresearch.org amazon.com And you add in the grand strategy from Zbigniew Brzezinski: amazon.com with its demand that the American Empire capture Eurasia as the key prize of the 21st Century, then you examine the status of our Imperial Guard with Chalmers Johnson's "The Sorrows Of Empire": amazon.com then you will be pretty far along your way to understanding the whys and the whats of the scheme for Pax Americana. But what that won't cover is all the devious schemes and incidents that will be used along the way. The "false flag" operations that are the hallmark of the Zionist and C.I.A. methods of controlling unaware publics. Here's a set of recent articles that ring true about the situation in Madrid: Message 19938934 siliconinvestor.com The common point that they all make is that it seems that no matter what "terrorist" incident occurs, that Bush & Co. seem to always come up the winners. New contracts, new profits, newly conquered lands. It's all too convenient for it not to appear to be the work of those who benefit, as Seneca noted two millenia ago.... *** Re: perhaps it is that what they are doing with all the "cover-up" and seemingly suspect actions is to simply take advantage of the situation and add to the fear factor fire in order to create their police state.... and get away with a bunch of crap as they seem to be doing... What faction within the US would be interested in an event like this and more importantly why, what are their motives ? In "American Dynasty" amazon.com Kevin Phillips brilliantly discusses how the Bush Family has used the government and war to enrich themselves for the past four generations, ever since the First World War. So that is one source of the greed that motives perpetual war. The crazy Greater Zionists, who've captured a significant percentage of the U.S. foreign policy apparatus for another. Here's a chilling quote from Arik the Freak, claiming full control of U.S. foreign policy: fpp.co.uk And the Military-Industrial-Congressional Complex is no less guilty of wanting to destroy our Republic and create an Empire, with them growing exceeding rich into the bargain... "In the counsels of Government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Military Industrial Complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes." --President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Farewell Speech, January, 1961 With a greedy bastard like George Bush in charge, we are left to ask: Quis cusodient ipsos custodes? : "Who watches the watchmen?" --Juvenal's Satires Apparently, it is people like you and me. And I don't see you pulling your weight...... yet.