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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (129745)	4/21/2004 10:42:50 AM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Ironically, lots of Americans were gung ho for the IRA, sending them money and maybe more. I like to think that there were lots of IRA-supporting New York firemen killed at the Twin Towers. "Lots" of Americans ??? "Lots" of IRA Supporting NYC Firemen ???? I happen to have been born and raised in NYC and the surrounding area (Long Island) and with all due respect you have a completely deformed idea of what the city is like.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (129745)	4/25/2004 4:41:55 PM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

knee-capping sub-human barbarians It isn't just the IRA. If you continue to see a one sided point of view in an argument, you will not get a real solution. MQ, you are real stoopid in your one sided view, what are you, some kind of protestant nutball or something?? cfrterrorism.org Despite accounting for almost 30 percent of the deaths in the Northern Ireland conflict, loyalists’ attacks have generally drawn far less media and international attention than those perpetrated by the IRA. Major loyalist attacks include: The UVF’s 1966 shooting of four Catholics, one fatally, outside a Belfast pub. This attack was the first major act of sectarian violence since Ireland was divided, and it spurred Catholic activism, which soon turned violent. The UVF’s 1969 bombing of a power station near Belfast. Initially attributed to the IRA, this attack also helped trigger the Troubles. The UVF’s 1971 bombing of a Belfast pub, which killed 15 people. A pair of UVF bombings in Dublin and Monaghan, both in the Republic of Ireland, on May 17, 1974, that killed 33 civilians, making this day the deadliest of the conflict. The UDA’s October 1993 machine-gun attack on a bar in the Northern Ireland town of Greysteel, which killed eight civilians. The LVF killing of Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams’ nephew in January 1998. A fierce campaign of intimidation and abuse of Catholic schoolgirls in Belfast between June and October 2001. Religious violence, harassment, and intimidation typically flare up during the summer “marching season,” when hard-line Protestants don bowlers and orange sashes and parade through Catholic neighborhoods to celebrate centuries-old battlefield victories. Many Catholics see these parades as provocations. Have the loyalist groups targeted civilians? Yes—and more frequently than the IRA. Between 1968 and 1998, loyalist paramilitaries killed an estimated 864 civilians (most of them Catholic), compared with an estimated 728 civilians (most of them Protestant) killed by the IRA. Experts say loyalist groups have often acted out of religious hatred, while the IRA has more often targeted British security officers—killing more than 1,000 of them—in an effort to further its political goal of ejecting the British from Northern Ireland. How big are the loyalist paramilitary groups? At its peak in the 1970s, the UDA had some 40,000 members, but the UVF and the UDA today are thought to be only several hundred strong. The LVF, the Red Hand Defenders, and the Orange Volunteers count only dozens of members each, possibly with a great deal of overlap. MQ. get a balanced view and get real.