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To: Sarmad Y. Hermiz who wrote (130360)	4/28/2004 10:36:08 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

it took the Irani people 25 years to overthrow the brutal dictator that the US installed in Iran to replace the democratically elected Mossadq government. Although most Americans are ignorant of that fact, I'm sure the well-informed are aware of it. For one, the British proposed to the CIA that Mossadeq be overthrown. Secondly, Mossadeq was becoming increasingly unpopular within his country, and heavily leaning toward the communists (the Tudeh party), leaving indications that he was violating the platform of being a unifier that he had originally run under. Thirdly, It was feared, rightly or wrongly, that Mossadeq was setting the stage for a communist takeover in Iran.. A sort of false flag politician, who says one thing, but really possessed a socialist agenda. Fourthly, Truman originally supported Mossadeq and Iran's nationalist intentions: geocities.com Here is the CIA report on Operation Ajax: iranonline.com The shah was both good and bad.. He certainly brought about a lot of modern changes to the society. But he also permitted himself to become distant from the people he ruled, and took on a major air of self-importance. IOW, he became unstable and delusional as to his own power. And yes.. the Iranian people rightly deposed him. But what did they replace him with? Was that a democratically elected government? How many people have been brutalized and killed in the name of Islamic revolution since they came to power? And what will you say when, in a few years, Iran's current population overthrows the hardline government? It certainly wasn't a perfect decision, and we permitted the British to trick us into protecting their extensive oil assets in Iran (only later did the US play a major role in Iranian oil production), which Mossadeq planned to nationalize (expropriate). And the US had a major interest, at the time, of preventing the Saudis royals from getting any ideas and seizing US assets on the peninsula. But what you have to ask yourself is whether the Soviets were spending as much time, money, and effort, in trying to usurp the election from the people via a puppet leader, Mossadeq, via the Tudeh party.. As almost always is the case, there was more than just US influence involved here. And btw, have you paid attention the activities of the Shah's son here in the US?? He's drawing quite a crowd of Iranian support for the restoration of the peacock throne and the re-establishment of a constitutional monarchy. crosswalk.com Hawk

To: Sarmad Y. Hermiz who wrote (130360)	4/29/2004 2:32:06 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi; Sarmad Y. Hermiz; Re: "So it takes a vicious thug to over-throw a vicious thug. And generally only a strongly motivated ideologue would undertake the sacrifice it entails. With the single-minded obsession required for success. I couldn't do it, and I think neither could you. Because we are not vicious thugs." Here's Hawkmoon's reason for why we must be in Iraq: Were we facing 30%+ unemployment, and crippling demographic baby booms with 70% of our population under the age of 25, I can pretty well predict that we'd see some Christian militants rising to the surface as well. THAT'S WHY WE MUST BE INVOLVED IN THE MIDDLE EAST!! We simply have no other choice except to quarantine the entire region and cut them off from interaction with the rest of the world until they die off to "manageable" population levels, of finally realize (as in Iran) that fundamentalists are just as corrupt and inept as their secular leaders. #reply-19231020 From Hawkmoon's perspective, our policy in Iraq is a kindness. If it doesn't work, then we have to get serious. -- Carl