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To: E who wrote (133847)	5/22/2004 2:16:30 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I've pointed out a number of times that, first of all, an estimated 70 to 90% that quote was from an ICRC rep, second-hand, and was not referring to the entire population of detainees, but to some political subset of them. It's hardly set in stone evidence, even if it was reported correctly.

To: E who wrote (133847)	5/22/2004 7:21:37 AM
From: Sarmad Y. Hermiz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>> My impression is certainly that many people on SI do not care if our soldiers torture to death innocent people . It is the real sad truth. They also don't care if American soldiers die in the process of of making raids to abduct innocent people to be tortured to death. It looked from the hearings in the House Armed Services Committee yesterday that the Iraqi Air Force commander (who had turned himself in) was choked to death by an interrogator wanting to know about wmd. Since the weapons didn't exist, the interrogator kept suffocating him by turns until he died. His head was put into a plastic bag, and someone sat on his chest, and another covered his mouth. Of course all the republicans on the committee were blathering about what a wonderful job the troops are doing. The joint chief of staff kept pretending that the only bad apples were the six low ranking MP's with their sexual tortures.

To: E who wrote (133847)	5/22/2004 9:11:48 AM
From: Sig	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

The prison investigation is being blown out of proportion by the media,making it a political consideration where heads must roll, right up to that of Rumsfeld (If you cant get Bush, get Rummy) Saying that 90% of the prisoners were not guilty means there are over 4000 that are guilty. How many lives would be lost if those were not imprisoned? There are 10 deaths in the prisons being investigated as homicides. Yesterday 5 or more people died from one car bomb . Which represents 1/2 of the number who died in prison from ill treatment. What happens if we turn lose another 4000 individuals with the same inclinations? A great deal more Iraqis and US soldiers are going to die. How can those 4000 be identified so they do not get turned loose? What plan is proposed for doing that without some form of interrogation ? Should the members of the Press set the rules? Come on guys give us your best procedure, even if you have no experience whatsoever. How many hours of sleep deprivation, how much cold or heat, how many insults including embarrassments ? We could do it like in the movies, hours of sitting in chair under a hot light bulb while offering the prisoner a drink or a cigarette. My butt is getting sore and I have to go to the bathroom- I am ready to confess to killing 5 of your soldiers. Now get me a lawyer. The problem here is that if we set the interrogation rules, and print them in the Newspapers, the guilty party then knows exactly what is going to happen and he will never have to confess because nothing bad will happen if he doesn't. Sig .