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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (578197)	5/25/2004 1:23:22 PM
From: Doren	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769670

Keep in mind that the terrorists decided to push their ideological war on us...not vice versa. 1) You have a short memory, like most Americans. We (the western colonial powers) have pushed our ideology on Middle Easterners since before WWI. The Middle East was arbitrarily divided by Britain and France after they defeated the Ottoman Empire in WWI. Not only that but we deposed the legally elected government in IRAN and installed the Hitler like Shah regime in 1953. They have a good reason to be angry at us. 911 was the product of years of frustration with ignorant Americans ignoring what their government did in their name. 2) I'm all for going after Al Quieda, but Iraq was the the wrong place to go after them. They weren't there. The troops lost it because they were hated by people they thought would love them. 3) Atrocities in Vietnam really happened because "We come here to help these people and they don't even thank us". How many times did we hear that in Vietnam? The majority didn't want us there. The troops were frustrated because they "came to liberate and free" but the reality of the situation was at odds with the propaganda our government had inculcated them with. Now we are beginning to hear the same thing in Iraq "We come here to help these people and they don't even thank us". If you are going to talk history Ann, you'd better do some reading.

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (578197)	5/25/2004 1:24:12 PM
From: goldworldnet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Thanks Ann, you explained that very well. While none of us are perfect, it's knowing the difference between right and wrong that determines the kind of human beings we are. * * *

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (578197)	5/25/2004 1:28:39 PM
From: Knighty Tin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Ann, What branch of the service were you in? Where did you serve? I disagree with your premise, though Kubrek would have agreed in his "Full Metal Jacket," where Joker kills a Vietcong female prisoner. I don't think humanity is something you switch on and off and Conservatives only think that way because they've never switched it on. BTW, the chickenhawks who never served in the military are all Bush appointees. Those of us who served our country know an outrage when we see it and we know it came from the top down, though Bush will scramble to contain the blame at some level below his slimy self. Nobody is disagreeing about fighting terrorism. Or radical Islam. We're talking about invading a secular country and that country had not sent terrorists to attack us. Meanwhile, radical Islam is having a hoot watching our Keystone Kops shoot the wrong Arabs because they're too dumb to know the difference. Americans are slowly waking up to the reality behind Bush's good ol' boy facade and I hope they will have eyes wide open by election day. I can't imagine anyone handling a war worse than Bush has, even skipping the fact that war was unjust and unnecessary. On a purely practical basis, these guys can't walk and chew gum at the same time. The chickenhawks had no idea what they were getting into. They just sent our military off to kill and be killed without a second thought.

To: Ann Corrigan who wrote (578197)	5/25/2004 1:57:30 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Keep in mind that the terrorists decided to push their ideological war on us...not vice versa. Gee, that's odd. I thought we were the ones who introduced Nazi torture techniques into the Middle East. <<< ... Mr. Leaf also said in the interview that he and his colleagues knew of the torture of Iranian dissenters by Savak, the Iranian secret police set up during the late 1950's by the Shah with help from the CIA. Furthermore, Mr. Leaf said, a senior CIA official was involved in instructing officials in the Savak on torture techniques, although Mr. Leaf said that to his knowledge no Americans did any of the torturing. The CIA's torture seminars, Mr. Leaf said, "were based on German torture techniques from World War II." ... >>> chss.montclair.edu Tom