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To: tejek who wrote (201925)	9/14/2004 3:52:10 AM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573695

Hi Tejek, some of us might invade your thread for a spell, so we can continue our political debate here, if you don't mind? Dems & Republicans, please be gentle on the newcomers, even if you don't agree with them. ------------------------------------------------------- Continuation of the political debate from the Cisco thread: Message 20513999 RE: "The great question that no liberal has been able to answer is how would they solve the terrorist problem?" Mindmeld, when you make blanket statements like this, "crazy Muslims", it casts a negative statement on all of the 1.2 Billion people, which means the debate gets stuck at a basic level, so that makes it difficult to reach a higher level of discussion where we move on to the advance aspects of the debate. Also, you didn't ask for an opinion on what I would do to solve the problem. Why don't you ask me? Replying to the post here: Message 20512176 From: mindmeld Saturday, Sep 11, 2004 RE: "Evidence of Arab and Muslim moral and intellectual bankruptcy" That's a blanket statement. 1.2 billion muslims are not morally and intellectually bankrupt. Do you truly think 1.2 billion people are all morally bankrupt? If you don't, then you need to consider how you write blanket statements. RE: "Fact. In Arab schools in Syria, Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and in Palestine, the school books have maps that don't depict Israel's borders or recognize Israel as a sovereign state. Instead they show the area without borders and call it Palestine." Both sides should recognize each other. RE: "In many school books and lectures in pre-college and universities, kids are taught that there was no Holocaust and that the Holocaust is part of a Jewish conspiracy to blackmail the world as part of an attempt by the Jews to control the world." If true, they need to fix that. Doesn't this fall under the topic of 'extreme teaching' that they are working to correct in Saudia Arabia? Side note, someone visiting the San Jose Museum said there were more South Americans killed in a holocaust they had, than in the Jewish holocaust. They said our American books don't even teach us this. Not sure what they are referring to, but they were upset a South American holocaust was ignored in American textbooks. RE: " Arab countries have one of the lowest literacy rates in the world, standing at 43%." Someone on this thread or the real estate thread, posted an article stating LA illiteracy rate is more than 40%. (I was surprised.) RE: "There is very little freedom of religion in any Arab country." Why is "In God We Trust" on USA money? What happened to separation of religion and government in the USA? RE: "People of other faiths have increasingly fled Muslim countries in droves in fear of their lives." Some Bay Area people fled the USA in fear of their lives, when racism was rampant the first five weeks after 9/11. RE: "Freedom of expression and of the press is almost non-existant in Muslim countries in the Middle East" How come our media has snuffed out the story on the Israeli "art" students that barged into Bay Area military and hightech companies and other places across the USA such as homes of DEA and judges? Seriously. If a person doesn't think the media is controlled, how does a person answer that one? Our media is controlled. RE: "their countrymen" Countrypeople. RE: " Arab clerics and intellectuals" Try using the word "certain". 'Certain' Arabic clerics and intellectuals. Not all. RE: "failed to do the same against people like Osama and Zarqawi who have murdered thousands and continue to inspire widespread chaos and murder" Their media is wrong. They tend to talk about bin Laden's message (to remove military bases out of the middle east), rather than discussing the murdering he does. This is wrong. Of course our media doesn't talk about their issues, so our media is wrong too. This bothers me because the less informed our country is, the higher chance we become victims of terrorism. RE: "No Middle Eastern country is Democratic today" So what? People would rather have food. Also, why is Democracy better in a situation where some of the people are uneducated and ultra biased? In Saudia Arabia, the elite would like to give women more rights, meanwhile too many in the extreme lower class would like women to be hung, so to speak. You create Democracy in that type of situation and too many women would have to run out of Saudia Arabia. Don't always equate the popular vote with ethical behavior. Democracy (i.e. popular vote) could mean worse things for women. Democracy doesn't work well unless there is better education within all classes of society. RE: " Muslim women are little better than slaves and second hand citizens in their own countries in the Middle East." Democracy let's the "people rule." So you want the 'people' to rule women? RE: "Middle East countries have enjoyed a very large degree of wealth, yet poverty rates among the common Arab are some of the worst in the world." You're right. The wealth disparity is so huge there. This is also why we need to have a CEO-to-lowest-paid-employee ratio that's legislated by Congress. RE: " Jobs created in Israel, the only self-constructed democracy" Democracy isn't the reason why it is productive. China has grown 2X's faster than India because China is not Democratic. Democracy is inefficient until you reach a certain GDP level. Message 20512176 If all Muslim countries are so bad for women, how come many countries populated with Muslims have had women Presidents? While the USA has had none. Oh, and check this out here: a Forbes poll shows all the women CEOs at the bottom of the CEO rating list, which is awfully puzzling when you consider that Meg's company (CEO of Ebay) is one of the best performing companies in the history of the USA. Only 5% approve of her - that poll speaks volumes when you consider how super duper successful Ebay is and how CEO's are rated by their performance not by some unspoken bias. Certainly makes you wonder about the average Forbes reader. forbes.com Regards, Amy J

To: tejek who wrote (201925)	9/14/2004 4:30:26 AM
From: Amy J	Respond to of 1573695

Hi Tejek, hope Clinton has a successful recovery and lives a very long life. Felt bad he got ill but he's extremely lucky they caught it early. With a change in diet, I hope lives for many, many years. Regards, Amy J

To: tejek who wrote (201925)	9/14/2004 6:49:22 AM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1573695

Florida OK's Nader's Name on Election Ballot Mon Sep 13, 6:36 PM ET Add Politics to My Yahoo! By Jim Loney MIAMI (Reuters) - Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader (news - web sites)'s name can appear on Florida ballots for the election, despite a court order to the contrary, Florida's elections chief told officials on Monday in a move that could help President Bush (news - web sites) in the key swing state. The Florida Democratic Party reacted with outrage, calling the move "blatant partisan maneuvering" by Gov. Jeb Bush, the president's younger brother, and vowed to fight it. In a memo to Florida's 67 county supervisors of elections, Division of Elections director Dawn Roberts said the uncertainty of Hurricane Ivan, which could hit parts of the state by week's end, forced her to act. The action came in an ongoing legal battle over whether Nader should be allowed on the Florida ballot as the Reform Party candidate. Nader, an independent nominated by the Reform Party, was a presidential candidate in 2000 when Bush won Florida, and the White House, by 537 votes over then-Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites). Analysts said most of the nearly 98,000 votes Nader got in Florida would have gone to Gore had Nader not been on the ballot. Florida Circuit Court Judge Kevin Davey issued a temporary injunction last week preventing the state from putting Nader on the 2004 ballot, siding with a Democratic challenge that the Reform Party did not qualify as a national party under state law. A hearing on a permanent injunction is scheduled for Wednesday. But Roberts said Hurricane Ivan, which is headed for Florida's Gulf coast, had raised "a substantial question as to when such a hearing" will be held. 'PARTISAN MANEUVERING' As a result, she said, Florida's Department of State had filed an appeal against the temporary injunction. The appeal application automatically lifts the injunction, allowing the counties to put Nader's name on overseas absentee ballots, which must be mailed by Saturday. "I'm in disbelief," said Scott Maddox, chairman of the Florida Democratic Party. "This is blatant partisan maneuvering on the part of Jeb Bush to give his brother a leg up on election day." "They are trying to get ballots printed with Nader's name on them," said Maddox. "I am astounded that Jeb Bush is willing to defy the judiciary to help his brother." Maddox said if Nader drew votes away from any candidate it would be Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry (news - web sites). Gov. Bush said he agreed with Roberts' decision. "It's up to the judge to determine, based on the law, whether Nader should be on the ballot or not," Bush said. "But while that process goes on, we cannot put ourselves in the position where the ministerial role of the supervisors cannot be fulfilled." Maddox noted that Tallahassee, the state capital where Davey sits, is not expected to be directly hit by the hurricane. He said the circuit court could hear the case as scheduled on Wednesday and rule immediately. In addition, the case is before the Florida Supreme Court (news - web sites), which could also rule at any time, he said.