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To: Alighieri who wrote (203615)	9/22/2004 9:52:00 AM
From: Road Walker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571774

The tide has turned? Electoral Vote Predictor 2004: Kerry 269 Bush 253 electoral-vote.com

To: Alighieri who wrote (203615)	9/22/2004 10:31:38 AM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571774

Agree with all of your points and I've done a ton of reading on the Middle East, so I know what you say is likely true. However, consider this: if the terrorists really wanted democracy and freedom, then why aren't they giving it a chance in Iraq? It's the best chance that Arabs have ever had for democracy and freedom. I'll answer for you. There are two reasons. First, these terrorists aren't interested in democracy and freedom. What they want is power and if they have to kill innocent Iraqis in their headlong rush to kill American troops, they will do it. If we did pull out now, I can virtually guarantee you that a democratic nation would NOT emerge. Instead, it would be an Islamic theocracy just as brutal as the Saddam regime or complete civil war. So yes, our policies of the past have been the fire beneath the cauldron that has now boiled over. I've said as much in my previous posts. So we need to change our policies for sure. However, these terrorists deserve no quarter and no negotiation, simply because what they want is the end of our way of life and our culture. And that we cannot allow.

To: Alighieri who wrote (203615)	9/22/2004 12:47:03 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571774

Al, If you answered "our one sided, unconditional support for Israeli expansion", you would be right again. Scumbria brought up a good point a while back: #reply-17788874 I understand your bottom line though. You make the mistake of believing that Israel is the problem with respect to Muslim terrorists. You are completely missing the point, as Israel is actually the first line of defense. If they succeed in taking down Israel, they will be emboldened to broaden the attack on to much larger targets. To add to that, "expansion" is an irrelevant nuance, though I agree Israel ought to stop the settlements. But why wait until Israel and America is blameless and faultless in their foreign policies before taking strong actions against the terrorists? Like I keep saying before, the extremists aren't going to be impressed, and the citizenry are still going to be too scared or powerless to make a difference. Tenchusatsu