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To: Gersh Avery who wrote (296510)	10/31/2004 10:40:39 AM
From: broadstbull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Was VietNam a good war? Should we have carried on with it? I'm trying to understand if there is any logic in your thinking, outside of your Republican agenda....... Also, do you think it was a good thing for Bush to distort evidence, that led to a war in Iraq?

To: Gersh Avery who wrote (296510)	10/31/2004 3:42:33 PM
From: Bill/WA	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

Gersh, this is not directed to you in particular. It's just that I cannot put together all this hoopla. <<Kerry committed treason by knowingly assisting North Vietnam in winning the war.>> I find this argument/term "Treason" incredibly ignorant. My time-in-country was from Oct. '66 till May '68. I was involved in some of the internal affairs in the I Corp area. For ANYONE to believe that atrocities were NOT committed by 'some' of the men in & out of uniform (on both sides) is beyond naive. That IS what happens in most ALL wars. Not all troops experience it, but some do. Should it be exposed before the end of a conflict. Yes, it is the only way to rein in an act that will geometrically increase if it is not. Does exposing (the atrocities) aid & abet the enemy. No it does not. The atrocities themselves do that. The enemy already know about the atrocities as do the villagers who actually experience it. It's the "At Home People" who are enlightened. Possibably exposing the atrocities committed by Hitler would have enlightened the "At Home People" in Germany? Somosa in Nicaragua? It's mans inhumanity to man and exposing it IS NOT treason. Besides, this administration apparently did not consider the VN war that important. Cheney (with 5 deferments) said he had more important things to do. Bush (no doubt about it) got a pass, and did not find it necessary to volunteer. Rumsfields military commitment was as a flight instructor. Wolfowitz did not even serve. <<His support of North Vietnam has continued through today.>> Kerry, along with McCain, plus others are for normalizing relations with VietNam. <<In '96 the committee he was in charge of ignored and then shredded evidence of POW's left behind in Southeast Asia.>> Again, McCain was also 'in charge of' that committee and agreed with its results. So, all in all, I guess McCain is in the same boat (so to speak). The time will come when the troops in Iraq will come to have the same feelings of betrayal as many of us did in VN, when they realize that war should be conducted by warriors and not by these so called raptured neocons that are unwilling to step where the warrior steps and continue to believe that the US can kick anybody's ass, give the finger to any country they please, and still lead by example. Again, this is not directed to you in particular Gersh. Good trading