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To: The Ox who wrote (22100)	11/3/2004 12:20:25 PM
From: kodiak_bull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Michael, LOL. Like there aren't any guntoting Democrats! The morality thing played big all last night in polling results and was reported as the number one differential. I think if you asked 100 voters which party/culture was in favor of/in favor of strong rights for: gay marriage reality tv casual sex on tv MTV VH1 Vulgar talk radio the porn industry no limits on abortion rights the U.N., no matter what the scandals Then you would get an overwhelming answer. If you asked the same 100 voters which party was in favor of: strong moral values family oriented tv strong censorship on lascivious behavior/talk on airwaves limiting abortion rights ignoring the U.N. except when we decided not to Then you would get another answer. People in the heartland are worried about morality, even if Democrats think it's a silly issue for airheads. If the Dems want to win national elections, they will need to be in touch with more Americans in the red states. Put another way, if Bush hadn't been such an easy target for the McAulliffe crowd (his speech, his family, the 2000 election, the war), then this would have been a landslide of Reaganesque proportions. [Edit: gay marriage ban is voted, in various wording, in every single state where it was floated--this goes directly to this topic, I think.] Kb

To: The Ox who wrote (22100)	11/3/2004 10:17:29 PM
From: whitepine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23153

Late to the post-election debate, Michael. You asked why 'morality' was the deciding factor....and the dialogue about nude dancing followed. You observed: >If something on the TV offends, turn it off or call the show's sponsors. It's not a political issue. It's a personal choice issue.< For many folks in the Middle America, this is not a choice. When the evening news is peppered with, and bracketed by, ads for Viagra, Levitra, etc., there is not much choice about turning off the program unless one forsakes all national news programs. I know millions of people resent these ads and the exposure to their children. Yes, I know, you disagree. That is not the point. The point is other Americans do NOT have Left Coast cultural values. They do NOT support gay 'marriage.' IMO, this is only part of the cultural divide, but understand, many people DO NOT share the core liberal views of the national media or national ads. Middle America supported Bush over Kerry, in large measure, because of the identity of Kerry with a culturally corrupt Hollywood, Hip-Hop, gay marriage, etc. JMO on why I think the cultural divide was the deciding factor. wp