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To: Neocon who wrote (154224)	12/16/2004 3:32:08 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

What exactly do you think the desire to keep homosexuals out of marriage is founded in? If it's not religion, it's just plain old sectarian bigotry (I kind of doubt that)? And that makes even less sense- and from the stats I think you're plain wrong- but whatever root the bigotry has, I don't think it should express itself in law. Obviously you do think it should express itself in law. So we'll just have to disagree on that.

To: Neocon who wrote (154224)	12/16/2004 4:05:38 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Actually, you have just made my point. People who denounce homosexuality do not favor civil union, but most Americans can accept that. Thus, the preference for civil union over same- sex marriage is not founded in a religious belief that homosexuality is a sin. But that also makes the point that many of those opposed to gay marriage where objecting because "marriage" (even the english word as near as I can tell) was God given. That is what they are trying to protect. So it is really religion after all. You are correct in that many conservative religious people are not vindictive against gays, thus they support or would allow gay unions, but they still see marriage as a deeply moral and religious issue, and don't want to surrender the word to an altered meaning. When I was 13 or 14 I used to drive a couple of miles to pick up an 80+ year old african and take him to church. If I was late, the old geezer walked! He had had 4 wifes, but the good christian church he joined had him whittle that down to one for philosophical reasons. They still lived in the same kraal, so I suspect that the old man was a bit kinder than the missionaries. The lot of divorced african women was not so hot. Some things should be treated with ones heart, not ones brain.