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To: Neeka who wrote (102046)	2/24/2005 1:34:51 PM
From: Skywatcher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793790

that would be great....septic is one thing...but then again there is NO way to see if they're dumping that since it's liquid. The garbage is another matter and I would bet that they do unload it at the last destination but that it is only the garbage from the last part of the cruise and is for show. CC

To: Neeka who wrote (102046)	2/24/2005 3:31:32 PM
From: greenspirit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793790

What's surprising to most people about dumping trash in the ocean is, even if the cruise liners kept the trash onboard until they moored, the local sanitation company would probably load it up on a trash ship and haul it 12 miles offshore and dump it anyway. All large ships dump trash overboard. The problem to the environment really occurs when you dump plastics overboard. The U.S. Navy is probably one of the few organizations in the world which separates plastic garbage, specifically, because of the environmental damage it causes. Unfortunately, I believe few commercial ships do the same. Believe it or not, in some ports commercial ships still dump sewage directly overboard right next to the pier. European countries are some of the worst offenders I've seen. European military vessels are terrible offenders in places such as Africa, Spain, Slovenia, Greece and Turkey where policing is small or non existent. I could tell you stories about the French I've seen recently that would turn your stomach. Frankly, it disgusts me and as you know, I'm far from an environment zealot. The United States banned the practice of dumping sewage overboard next to the pier about 15 years ago. Although some people still cheat late at night when the water is murky and they think they can get away with it. The cost of hauling sewage can be pretty expensive. It costs the United States Navy allot of money every year to maintain those same practices when we moor our ships in remote locations around the world. Try hiring enough trucks in Gabon to haul sewage for 1400 people and you will begin to understand the costs involved. But we do it, because it's the right thing to do. Something America gets very little credit for around the world. Contrasted with French ships who pump next to the pier within 1 mile of a local beach where children are swimming! Hey Chirac, you know the currents do move French crap too don't you! In summary, I would never have my family swim within 3 miles of a shipping or military harbor outside of the United States. The place could be riddled with feces and you wouldn't even know it.