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To: tyc:> who wrote (4713)	4/23/2005 11:15:42 PM
From: philv	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 37666

Conservatives are conservative. In name and deed. Conservatives are not Liberals. We are free to chose between the them, but in my opinion, we ought not to fall for the trap that Conservatives are conservative in fiscal matters only. Liberals are pushing that line! Do we throw out the crooks in power now and elect a new bunch? I have always liked the idea of throwing the bums out before they get too entrenched and get ideas like they are the "natural governing party". If the people don't punish the government for wrong doing, what incentive is there in the future? But Claude has thrown a big consideration into this debate, namely Quebec separation. My personal wish is for the country to stay together, but I equally desire a change in government. It would be interesting to learn about the Canadian Conservatives proclivity for military adventure which you mention. Was that under Diefenbaker, or Joe Clark, or Brian Mulroney?

To: tyc:> who wrote (4713)	4/24/2005 1:04:22 AM
From: marcos	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 37666

But tyke, the baby has horns and cloven hooves, and that's not bathwater, it's bath lighter fluid -g- .... i think any bunch that so gliberally promotes themselves as the Natural Governing Party has got to go, real soon, they're not humble anymore ... do you really think much of anything is changed by switching from Chrétien to Martin? ... not many do ... it's a long long time since there was meaningful change in Ottawa, it's time to rock their world That bit about the name 'Conservative' was not well thought, i didn't make it plain i meant the sort of Old Tory who was around in the days of the classic liberals following Burke and Adam Smith ... Wellington, Palmerston, Disraeli, Peel, like that ... canadian equivalent would be the Family Compact bunch i guess, Bond Head et al, but since then that flavour of politics has never applied here, where the most 'right' we ever get is to sort of a lapsed classic liberal ... but that doesn't stop competitors of the real-liberal party du jour from tarring them with the old-time brush, an activity made a little easier i think due to retained cachet in the big-C Conservative name Funny how the labels got all switched around, it's US influence on the language of course ... Harper's tories are actually the real liberals today, provided that he is able to stifle the social conservatives, who don't have anywhere near the numbers to be a threat here, but who really are in their narrow areas of concern a throwback to old-toryism ... there is zero risk that they will get their pet policies implemented, imho, but a fair bit of risk that they will mouth it up and distract from issues of substance