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To: Lane3 who wrote (115397)	5/22/2005 3:29:35 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793838

Yes, liberals do tend to be supporters of gay rights, but this wasn't about gay rights. I can't say that I agree. Yes it is the right to be left alone but more than one term can describe something. In this case it is a right I would support as well (even if I don't like the way the change happened). Remember we have a slightly different definition of judicial activist, but by either definition yes it is possible for conservatives to be judicial activists as well. But liberals are more likely to be activist, and more importantly conservative has a more specific meaning in judicial terms. You can be politically conservative without being judicially conservative. IMO, In this case the combination of the gay rights angle with the judicial activism is stronger than the sum of its parts in terms of calling this a liberal decision. Tim

To: Lane3 who wrote (115397)	5/22/2005 6:06:10 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793838

Is it really about "supporting" gay rights? It feels like it is more about universal human rights, and fairness- it seems unncessarily partisan to cast it as support for an unpopular (at least among some conservatives) position- at least it feels that way to me. The liberals I know aren't marching in gay pride parades- what they really want is to have no one left out at the banquet where we hand out the rights- casting that as being "pro" any specific group isn't really honest, imo. It seems Orwellian to me to cast a desire for fairness amoung ALL groups, as support for one.

To: Lane3 who wrote (115397)	5/22/2005 10:15:49 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793838

I would think liberals and libertarians would support this decision equally. Well, you've certainly revealed yourself as someone who really, really doesn't get it. Yes, you're absolutely right, Lawrence vs. Texas is about nothing more or less than a majority of the Supreme Court thinking that homosexuals should be left alone to engage in sex acts in the privacy of their own home. It has zero to do with the Constitution. And if that's the way you like it, don't waste anybody's time talking about federalism, because you don't understand the word.