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To: Grainne who wrote (105013)	5/25/2005 2:23:32 PM
From: JeffA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 108807

Your noble thoughts are lostin the methods employed by the whackos who think they are laboring towards your goals. Further, to think liberals solely have the market cornered on wanting what's good for the country is ludicrous.

To: Grainne who wrote (105013)	5/25/2005 2:44:10 PM
From: ManyMoose	Respond to of 108807

America devotes more treasure, lives, and energy toward ensuring that no murder [of] innocent civilians or torture [of] prisoners of war goes unpunished than any other. Of course those things are bad. We try to avoid them. We consistently try to do the right thing as a nation, yet "liberals" (if that's who you think I'm talking about) continue to whine and complain. But they only whine and complain if it's a "conservative" error. When somebody sent a cruise missile into the Chinese Embassy or bombed an aspirin factory they were strangely silent. Their elected spokesmen speak of Osama bin Laden in complimentary terms, and others say the victims of 9/11 are casualties of war who somehow deserved their fate. The only time they get outraged is when somebody wants to display the Ten Commandments on the Courthouse lawn. They compare illegal lapses of perfection on the one hand to downright evil atrocities on the other. I'm getting sick of it.

To: Grainne who wrote (105013)	5/25/2005 3:01:50 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 108807

The right to criticize evil, when you see it, is fundamental to liberty and democracy. That we will not all agree on evil is a given, but people who would call others "traitors" or supporters of evil, because they criticize evil at home, are, imo, way off the mark in just about every way it is possible to be off the mark. If you don't help to make this country better, than you are part of the problem. That we may be working in opposite ways from each other, is fine- as LONG as we respect that all people working to "better" the country have the best interests of the country at heart AS THEY SEE THEM. Obviously people who think the best interests of the country are served by shutting up "traitors" who don't agree with them, or the administration, can't see that others are following their own vision of best interests- and that's just a cross we have to bear in a democracy. A democracy must encompass even very non-democratic beliefs- since freedom doesn't mean much if people don't also have the freedom to believe not everyone should be free. And if the folks who believe in very limited freedom of expression (for folks who don't think the way they do) ever become a clear majority, then we will no longer be what we were, or what we are now, and we will, imo, be much worse- though I am sure some people will like it better.