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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (163479)	6/2/2005 9:16:07 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

After I cited evidence for the majority of suicide bombers being foreigners, and demanded that you come up with some evidence for your assertion that they were NOT foreigners, you did a little shuck-and-jive, changing the subject of discussion from "suicide bombers" to all insurgents, cf "If there is fighting in Iraq, then the most obvious source of fighters has to be the Iraqis. It is as simple as that." Nice little switcheroo there. You just changed the grounds of the argument to one that would support your contention that it was Iraqis who were fighting. Your original assertion denying reports that the suicide bombers are not Iraqi, remains as it was before - wholy unsupported by the reports on the ground or any other shred of evidence. Evidence of "dipscrepancies", all ginned up on the spot without even a consistent rationale, are equally specious. I understand your views all too well. They are designed to change your arguments on the fly, without regard for evidence or consistency.

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (163479)	6/2/2005 10:48:59 PM
From: sylvester80	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine the zionist neonazi LIAR has been exposed yet again. Message 21382630

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (163479)	6/4/2005 11:03:08 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

As further evidence for my original statement over 90% of the suicide bombers who could be identified were foreign which you objected to, saying This statement smells very much like Kohr's, "neither AIPAC nor any of its current employees is or ever has been the target". So I am going to have to call you on it. After I backed the statement with a WaPo article, you tried to change the subject and said that you were not making any claims about the suicide bombers, so they hadn't been the subject of the debate. As the quotes show, obviously not true. From tomorrow's New York Times Week in Review: Nor is there much doubt that the foreign Arabs' impact has been out of proportion to their numbers, primarily because of the willingness of the non-Iraqis to die in suicide bombings. According to a tally kept by the American command, more than 60 of these bombings took place across the country in May, responsible for about two-thirds of the civilians who died. Iraqis commonly insist that suicide bombing is alien to the Iraqi character, and American commanders agree. "In every case we've seen, the driver has been a foreigner," an American officer who has studied the bombings said last week. The officer said intelligence reports had established that many bombers passed through mosques in Damascus, Syria's capital, or Aleppo, another Syrian city, and from there through a network of mosques that filtered, in many cases, down the Euphrates, through Qaim, Haditha and Ramadi. At every stage, the officer said, the handlers were organized in cells, each separate from the next, so as to guard the network's secrecy. As for the bombers, he said their sojourns in Iraq were generally short. "They don't stay in Iraq very long," the officer said. "They get a lot of indoctrination along the way, but once they're here they are moved into operations very, very fast." John Burns, New York Times 6/5/05 whole article at: siliconinvestor.com