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To: Sun Tzu who wrote (167611)	7/28/2005 3:12:49 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Yet I don't recall you ever volunteering to discuss the wrongs of Bush administration beyond, yes but can we all be friends now. Mistakes. Most humans make mistakes....."wrongs" that's a POV. (say from limits of civil liberties to his over usage of appointments to his stance on the environment to the divisiveness that he has brought)? Bush's limits? We are involved in a war....What great abuses of civil rights do you see...? Do you know anyone whose rights have been abused? Appointments? Why exactly are they "over used" do you think? Bush brought divisiveness all by himself? Your opinions are just that.... opinions....they are different from mine and different from Gems....which does not mean that any of us have the corner on the truth.....

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (167611)	7/28/2005 3:19:33 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"Yet I don't recall you ever volunteering to discuss the wrongs of Bush administration... Well that is the problem with your blinders. I have stated that I see the failure to deal with border and immigration issues to be a serious and deadly neglect on the part of the Bush Administration. I have said that I did not buy the justification given for invading Iraq from the beginning... even though I am no fan of the Saddam Regime and hated the sanctions so much that I protested them. It is no secret that I supported Saddam's removal and the support we now give the new government but it wasn't on the basis of the Bush Admin arguments. I not only question conspiracy theories, rumors, innuendo that is purported about Bush, I did the same thing regarding Kerry. You have not seen me jump on the bush is satan bandwagon nor have you seen me jump on the bush is a saint bandwagon. But it is the latter that consumes your thoughts so it is not surprising that you filter my comments through that. "seems to be pro-government no matter what or at least anti-anti-government..." Nonsense, I think our government is becoming archaic and is in serious need of overhaul. You just don't like it that I don't pick the other obsolete agenda of 60s social movement as the great solution. One of these days maybe you will get beyond the idea of forced choices ... but I doubt it. I see many problems and issues that are worthy of discussion, but as long as you and your buddies force the ridiculously over stated and wrong headed 'evil-bush' topic down everyone's throats, that is all that gets seen around here.

To: Sun Tzu who wrote (167611)	7/28/2005 3:32:57 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I disagree that Bush is to blame for the divisiveness that currenly exists in this country. It comes from something more deep rooted in our culture. Message 21547321 and besides that, I am convinced that the real enemy of our era is 'extremism' in all its forms. The usual melting pots of culture that have been held together by Nation State political borders and separated by oceans have been spilled over into one another. The extremists where ever they are seem to be despirately trying to regain their pots ... about as easy as separating the broth in the pot using only a spoon. The solution is a return to principled living. Seems like its gonna be a while.