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To: Shoot1st who wrote (6547)	8/12/2005 2:32:44 PM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 14396

>>Ever wonder if the "system" wasn't filled with those things that we humans should simply deal with ourselves that maybe the really big stuff might get more "attention?" << Not sure I understand what you are saying -- I didn't say you weren't thinking -- just defending Neeny's request as a legitimate thing to pray for -- not outside the domain or purview of God. Didn't James say -- what is important when you pray is -- your motives?? Even Jesus told us to ASK for our daily bread -- this HONORS God who gives us these things. Material things must be dealt with -- they are means, not ends -- yes, we let these things take over sometimes and become "ends." If I am praying -- I am giving GOD my attention -- what could be bigger than that. It is true I can approach Him with wrong motives, but if I do and I am sincere in my faith -- will He not also reveal to me that my motives are wrong?? I will not hesitate to pray for business ventures, for being able to accomplish what others consider the mundane, for any need great or small -- as I pray and I consider what He says -- that's how I get aligned, but first is perspective -- WHO God is -- What He is capable of -- What He has already done for me -- as those relate to who I am -- by His grace. No, I don't approach God as some Santa-in-the-sky -- He is God -- all-powerful and all-knowing. I certainly don't want to tell others what they cannot pray for ... far be it from me. Perhaps I misunderstood your post. Philippians 4:6 (New American Standard Bible) New American Standard Bible (NASB) 6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

To: Shoot1st who wrote (6547)	8/12/2005 2:49:40 PM
From: yard_man	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14396

Permit me just a couple more observations: Jesus was no ascetic -- you can read about him changing water into wine -- a pretty simply material need at a wedding. And yes, some things certainly will rise higher on our list than a stock performing well or getting the best price for something we are going to buy -- BUT let me tell you what I think the net result is of the idea ONLY the BIG things belong on my prayer list -- Here is the net result -- certain portions of your life are "walled off" -- not the domain of God -- if you are unwilling ask about such things -- how far are you away to thinking that God simply does not care -- I am not saying this about you, but show me someone who will only pray when faced with a crisis -- say a health crisis or a financial crisis -- what have you -- and I'll show you someone who may not be listening to God on a daily basis in all aspects of their lives. God's will isn't that we "escape" EVERY crisis - because some crises are for us -- that we may grow and may glorify Him -- but perhaps it is possible that we do make some crises, by not being in contact about what we consider minor decisions. Our perspective -- our view of things is LIMITED -- what we consider often to be minor acts of service can have very large reach -- if God so wills it. I want to listen to God in the SMALL things He wants me to do. I've seen so many small things turn into things that were so much larger than me or anything I had envisioned. Not meant to be a rant against you personally. I have often been in the assembly and heard folks praying that the US would be an instrument of world peace -- now theologically, I think that is baloney -- but it is someone else's prayer and I would not criticize such a request openly to that person. There are good motives behind it. I have heard some preachers say that the bulk of our prayers should be for others -- I agree with this statement -- but I am not being honest with myself or with God if I don't admit my concerns and cares before Him -- and He has TOLD me to do it. What does "everything" leave out?? I can't see inside someone elses heart, so it's inappropriate for me to judge someone else's request, unless the request is just plain evil.

To: Shoot1st who wrote (6547)	8/16/2005 12:56:13 AM
From: gregor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14396

To: akafoobar who wrote (6546) 8/12/2005 2:19:24 PM From: Shoot1st Read Replies (2) of 6576 Be assured...I always think. mostly I think about my personal behavior when it comes to life....and how I earn my way through. My family in the last decade has faced near death events.....financial destruction......and the teenage years of parenting..... Praying for ones daughter to live life well and honorable.....praying for her to survive medical conditions.....that's an easy one for me... Praying for better cards at the poker table......a stock to move in my direction......or to get something on sale at Walmart....well these things just don't make my list. Ever wonder if the "system" wasn't filled with those things that we humans should simply deal with ourselves that maybe the really big stuff might get more "attention?" Shootie Shootie: I've got to tell you I find a lot of inconsistency in this post of yours. Obviously you are a praying person but as in the case of your chiding Jane about her praying for the sale of a house you said you were kidding her but I don't think you were kidding. You say above. >>My family in the last decade has faced near death events.....financial destruction......and the teenage years of parenting..... << >>Praying for better cards at the poker table......a stock to move in my direction......or to get something on sale at Walmart....well these things just don't make my list.<< I have said it here a thousand times. It's hard to serve God if you are not prospering financially. Not impossible but very hard. I believe the bible teaches against speculation but good investments can bring the Lord glory over time. Gambling is not a Christian activity. We would never pray for a person to profit in a poker game here because it is contrary to the teachings of the bible. Lets see about buying clothes at Wal Mart. We shouldn't pray to get them on sale. We should go in the day before and day after the sale to pay a higher price for them. I believe the Lord orders the steps of the righteous man so that he will make wise purchases. He is interested in the leftovers or he would not have had his disciples gather up all the leftovers after he fed the 5000. >>mostly I think about my personal behavior when it comes to life....and how I earn my way through. << mostly I think about applying my behavior in life to the principles in the bible and the tremendous blessings the Lord has bestowed upon me. As was quoted this week . One cannot control his fortune but one can control his character. >>Ever wonder if the "system" wasn't filled with those things that we humans should simply deal with ourselves << As Christians we should give all things over to the Lord. We should depend on him for all the little things so we are better prepared to give him the big things when they happen. Tell your daughter the splinter in her finger is a little thing she should take care of herself. Those little things can hurt a lot and our heavenly father knows that. >>that maybe the really big stuff might get more "attention?"<< You know how I think God will get us out of Iraq. ...... You can have a million people praying . God get us out of Iraq and I think many more than that are praying for that to happen. God is not moved . Until one isolated mother starts praying for her little Johnnie to come home. God she cries out. Get my Johnnie home. And she never lets up. She bombards heaven . Day and night. Night and day. Her cries and wails are heard in heaven. Her moaning is never ending. The angels are moved. Business as usual is disrupted in heavens halls. God sees no other way out. The only way to bring Johnnie home is to move 15 battle groups, 4 divisions, 75 army reserve units. 3 carrier groups. out just so Johnnie comes home. Yes the selfish prayers are answered too. Many times it is the small prayer that is heard. From the insignificant person. With the bad attitude. Who has been beat up by this thing we call life. Because God understands. In Christ...Gregor