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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (396)	8/30/2005 1:12:25 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 520

So far you have posted nothing but unsubstantiated assertions, so "continuing" is a misnomer since you never really started. All you have posted so far is a passing reference to Northrup Fry. You keep saying you have sources but they never materialize so they can be evaluated on the strength of their arguments. That tells me you either don't have them or are embarrassed to produce them. Which is it? "any rebuttal I post will be labeled "pseudo-scholarship " or some other pejorative term." When it comes to the black art of literary criticism the term "pseudo-scholarship" is completely appropriate. True scholarship deals with verifiable methodology. Literary criticism is a thoroughly discredited method that portrays imaginative speculations as assured facts. It is completely unverifiable and therefore next to useless. You seem to want to use pejorative terms like literalist and fundamentalists but then take exception to it when the shoe is on the other foot. If you want to call me a fundamentalist or a literalist do I not have the right to refer to your position as liberal and unrealistic? I stand by my statements about the United Church. Look up what Bill Phips said to the Ottawa Citizen a few years back in which he denied the resurrection of Jesus Christ outright. Then afterward, he backtracked and started talking about the risen Jesus who lives in his heart. He does not believe what is an essential doctrine of Christianity but he wants to keep the "reverend" title. I can respect an honest Agnostic or even Atheist but false wolves who dress themselves in priestly robes are the wost sort of hypocrites I can imagine. The United Churches articles of faith are for the most part orthodox, it's just that the leadership does not believe, or follow them. They should be honest and leave if they had any integrity. I don't know your Father in Law, but I do know the United Church. It has become an apostate non-Christian organization masquerading as a Church.

To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (396)	8/30/2005 11:07:28 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 520

It would seem demonstrated here , that "not while in the body" , will these certain interpretations of belief and doctrinal formulations readily lead to that "Body of Loving Community/Fraternity " that would be the most authentic "Hallmark of Christian Unity " here on this very Earth <g> It has been said that love in its most perfect form is communal , and there will come a day we will all become perfect in Christ, and when prophecies and tongues shall pass away we will abide in the love of Christ and God the Father . Love therefore be eternal, forever and forever . Seems then , love as the central theme , would be a hard idea to neglect. Sometimes, such a scheme is doomed by the schism of clinging medieval dogma of "The Physical Resurrection " and that the "Body" is not the physical body but an ephemera , and the lack of joy , harmony & benevolence towards the souls of another needs wait till a more perfect time in the divine ether , and not of "today" . It seems clear that while in this "body of mind" some shall not transcend . Of such benevolence , should it be demonstrated here by such kindnesses offered in the "spirit of love" , would prove beyond all other discourses , apologies or argument ....that there is indeed a Creator of benign dispensation, worthy to call upon Him & ourselves united in his name . We would see the proof in ouselves , if there be any other proof that could be offered , and if there be any proof of that true "Love" was all. I was hoping to find that demonstrated here , but alas my brother... ;)