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Biotech / Medical : SARS and Avian Flu -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (2814)10/18/2005 4:40:39 AM
From: energyplay  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 4232
 
Has anyone tried or experienced rimantadine (Flumantadine) ? Amantadine sound as bad as a root canal and and IRS audit.

By the way, in the warnings label for Amandatine, they list

"suicide attempts, suicide, suicidal ideation."

Notice how they sneak actual "suicide" in the middle there where it won't be as noticeable.

Sucidial Ideation - almost any one in the stock market thorugh the tech bust has experienced that.

It's the actual suicide that bothers me.

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I also don't think the statement about the Amantadine class being ineffective against H5N1 is speculative, meaning they writers don't know, and they should have said so.

I would guess they would prefer if individuals did not stock up on amantadines on their own and self administer.

I can understand the concern of the Aussie health authorities.

But I strongly prefer the un-filtered, un-spun truth.

The other thing I notice about the Aussie article vs. similar US articles is their citing of WHO as an authority.

I realize the Aussies don't have the resources of the CDC or the US Army, but I don't see any reference to or sense of the Biological Warfare people in the Austrailian Army. I don't no why .....

Many US articles will have at least some prespective from the biological warfare people.

I would also like to see any links to a Russian / Soviet view of the brid flu threat, propagation vs. mutation, etc.

I think the Russians have some real world experimental data that could be useful.



To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (2814)10/18/2005 8:22:50 AM
From: Think4Yourself  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4232
 
More details on symptoms. The longer incubation period is a reason for concern. The good news is that diarrhea is an easily recognizable symptom to tell you to get your hieney to the hospital.

cidrap.umn.edu

Experts cite differences between H5N1 and ordinary flu

Oct 11, 2005 (CIDRAP News) – A recent and extensive review of research on H5N1 avian influenza in humans shows the illness differs from ordinary flu in several ways, besides the most obvious fact that it is far more deadly.

The report by a World Health Organization (WHO) committee says avian flu may have a longer incubation period and is more likely to cause diarrhea than typical flu viruses are, among other differences.

Published in the Sep 29 New England Journal of Medicine, the review was written by experts from several countries, including Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, the United States, the United Kingdom, Hong Kong, and Myanmar. They reviewed 71 published studies and reports, including details on 41 confirmed human cases from Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, and Hong Kong.

The H5N1 virus first jumped from birds to humans in Hong Kong in 1997, infecting 18 people and causing 6 deaths. In late 2003 the virus began sweeping through poultry flocks in East Asia, and since then it has struck at least 116 people and killed at least 60, by the WHO's official count.

The new report says the virus may incubate longer than other human flu viruses before causing symptoms. Incubation periods in ordinary flu range from 1 to 4 days, with an average of 2 days, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). In H5N1 cases, the incubation time has mostly been from 2 to 4 days but has stretched to 8 days, the WHO report says. In household clusters of cases, the time between cases has generally ranged from 2 to 5 days but sometimes has been as long as 17 days.

Initial symptoms are more likely to include diarrhea in avian flu than in ordinary flu, the report says. The problem can appear up to a week before any respiratory symptoms. That feature, combined with the detection of viral RNA in stool samples, suggests that the virus grows in the gastrointestinal tract.

Lower respiratory tract symptoms such as shortness of breath appear early in the course of the illness, whereas upper respiratory symptoms such as runny nose are less common, the article says. Also, unlike in ordinary flu cases, the virus may be found in larger amounts in the throat than in the nose.

Most cases so far have been linked with exposure to poultry. Specific activities that have been implicated include plucking and preparation of diseased birds; handling fighting cocks; playing with poultry, especially asymptomatic infected ducks; and consumption of duck's blood or possibly undercooked poultry, the report says.

Blood tests of people in contact with H5N1 patients in Vietnam and Thailand have shown no evidence of asymptomatic infections. However, surveillance involving polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests has revealed mild cases, more infections in older adults, and an increase in family clusters of cases in northern Vietnam—"findings suggesting that the local virus strains may be adapting to humans," the article says. (The WHO first reported these findings in May; see link to more information below.)

But it adds that more work is needed to confirm these findings, and so far the disease has rarely spread to healthcare workers, even when appropriate isolation measures were not used.

The article says the relatively low number of human cases amid widespread infection in birds suggests that the species barrier to human cases of H5N1 is "substantial." The authors add that family clusters of cases may be caused by common exposures rather than by person-to-person transmission.

The report also discusses the "severe" lung injury found in autopsies of H5N1 victims, whose lungs become choked with debris resulting from the body's intense response to the infection. The authors say the body's innate immune response to the virus, involving heavy release of proteins that trigger inflammation, may contribute to the severity of the disease.

Most patients hospitalized for H5N1 infection have received antiviral drugs, usually oseltamivir, the report says. This treatment appears to be helpful only when started early in the illness.

Recent experiments on mice suggest that the virus has become less susceptible to oseltamivir since 1997, the article notes. To reap a similar benefit, mice infected with a 2004 strain of the virus needed a higher dosage and longer course of oseltamivir than mice infected with a 1997 strain did. Hence, the report suggests that physicians treating severe infections should consider doubling the approved dose.

Oseltamivir is one of the two neuraminidase inhibitors used for flu. The other one, zanamivir, has not been studied in H5N1 cases, the report says. The two older antivirals used for flu, amantadine and rimantadine, no longer work against H5N1.

Writing committee of the World Health Organization (WHO) Consultation on Human Influenza A/H5. Avian influenza A (H%N1) infection in humans. N Engl J Med 2005 Sep 29;353(13):1374-85 [Abstract]



To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (2814)10/19/2005 4:23:54 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 4232
 
Nor is it easily passed from human to human: there have been only three suspected cases, in Thailand, Hong Kong and Vietnam, where this is believed to have happened.

The operative word is suspected. They have never proven that those cases were transmitted through human contact and most scientists consider that kind of transmission highly unlikely primarily because of one simple fact: avian flu has not mutated yet to permit transmission from human to human. The only reason those three cases are suspected is because they can't find any other reason for the cause of the disease in those three people.

Is it spread like 'regular' influenza?

"So far, no human-to-human transmission of the H5N1 virus has been identified. If these H5N1 viruses gain the ability for transmission between humans, influenza pandemic could result with high rates of illness and death. A pandemic is an epidemic over a wide geographic area and affecting a large proportion of the population."

dailydemocrat.com

How does bird flu spread?

Infected birds shed flu virus in their saliva, nasal secretions, and feces. Susceptible birds become infected when they have contact with contaminated excretions or surfaces that are contaminated with excretions. It is believed that most cases of bird flu infection in humans have resulted from contact with infected poultry or contaminated surfaces. The spread of avian influenza viruses from one ill person to another has been reported very rarely, and transmission has not been observed to continue beyond one person.

cdc.gov

My point: you are worrying people needlessly.

If, in fact, human-to-human transmission of H5N1 has occurred, it is extremely rare. But what you said is that there have been "a number of cases" and that "you believe [human to human transmission]is very likely". You also said that human-to-human transmission occurred in Indonesia when there is no proof of that.

This disease is scary enough without encouraging anxiety in people. I think you have a great deal of good knowledge on the subject and people respect what you have to say. I would encourage you to stick just to the facts....that way no one can get confused.



From your prior posts:

"When I bought antiviral drugs reports indicated a number of cases where transmission of H5N1 was likely human to human as no animal contact was demonstrated. I still believe this is likely."

and

"Days after human-to-human transmission was reported in Indonesia, sales of anti-viral medications started to climb in America. Why should this surprise you? I bought some myself that week. I think its only sensible."