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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (258972)11/8/2005 2:23:49 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571567
 
On the part of the Western media, there is that unfounded concern about these young protestors becoming jihadis in order to seek justice, as seen in the aforementioned Newsweek report. Such simplistic analyses are not based on any evidence or hard facts. The causality that is assumed in such reports is fictitious at best.

Good article. It would have a larger French audience if the last name of the author was de Lespens or de Gaulle.....with heavy emphasis on the 'de'. Its not until the non Arab French start writing articles like this one will France do something to alleviate the problems in its ghettos.

Let me add.....Chirac's, Villepin's and Sarkozy's response to the riots is some of the worst I have ever seen. Their response is even worse than the one in 1992 by the mayor and police chief of Los Angeles who were embroiled in a feud with each other. If there were a rule book on how to screw up riots, Chirac et al would have hit every mark with perfection. ;~)

As for the take by the American media........once again, Americans show their lack of understanding of things outside their backyard. The Harrises of the world actually became hysterical and insisted that the US and Russia go into France and deactiviate their nuclear weapons and reactors. With so many idiots at the helm of so many key countries, if the world doesn't implode in the next 5 years, it will be a miracle!

ted



To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (258972)11/8/2005 3:28:00 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1571567
 
Also a good analysis:

Fires in France

Tuesday, November 8, 2005; A18

THE RIOTS in France have provoked their own mini-storm of misinterpretation, outside the country and among some of the French. So it's worth noting what 12 days (so far) of car-burning, looting and occasional shooting in the poor suburbs of Paris, and now dozens of other towns, is not about. It's not the European version of an intifada: Islamic ideology and leaders play no role in the disturbances, and many of those participating are not Muslim. But not all the demonstrators are hoodlums and drug dealers either, as some senior French officials portray them; anger over high unemployment and racism has been building in these ghettos for years.

It's also too facile to say that French authorities have ignored the problems. Billions have been spent on urban renewal: High-rise projects have been torn down and enterprise zones created, much as in some American inner cities. As in the United States, interlinked problems of jobs, schools, crime and discrimination have not easily yielded to government solutions. Yet until now, many in France assumed that what they regard as a superior "social model" protected them from the eruptions of lawlessness that in recent years have touched Los Angeles, Miami and New Orleans.

Caught by surprise, slow to react, plagued by political posturing and finger-pointing, the French leadership is demonstrating that poor crisis response is also not unique to U.S. administrations. Yet beneath the disarray -- embodied in the simultaneously laconic and belligerent behavior of President Jacques Chirac -- some fresh thinking is evident. Ironically, some of it comes from Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who has been pilloried by the demonstrators and left-wing press for his own ugly rhetoric. Mr. Sarkozy recently suggested that France abandon the pretense that all of its citizens -- including an estimated 5 million Muslims -- are treated equally, and adopt affirmative-action policies. He has also promoted the idea of a peaceful and tolerant "French Islam" to compete with imported ideologies of extremism.

In the short term, French authorities have to take forceful measures to restore order. Should the violence persist, extremists could use it to create political or religious causes that do not now exist. But in the medium term, France would benefit from the kind of reexamination of its policies toward minorities and immigrants that Mr. Sarkozy suggests. It's no longer reasonable to pretend that the poor Muslim descendants of North Africans in crowded housing projects are indistinguishable from all other French. If mainstream politicians do not fashion an agenda of inclusion for them, more militant actors will have a vacuum to fill.

washingtonpost.com



To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (258972)11/9/2005 5:05:25 AM
From: Amy J  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571567
 
Gustave, news.yahoo.com

"In his speech to parliament, Villepin said jobseekers with foreign-sounding names do not get equal consideration as those with traditional French-sounding names."

I think what France (and the world) needs to do, is require a statistical measurement to assess if discrimination is permitted within corporations. This is what US Walmart is undergoing in the US court system today - where the court system is finally just beginning to consider for the first time the permission of a class lawsuit allowing the use of presenting the statistics that show if a corporate entity is permitting discrimination (a bunch of well-qualified women were denied promotion because "the man that got the promotion is the family's breadwinner", etc.)

Basically, it's time corporations get to the next level, where the statistics do the talking about whether a corporation permits bias or not within its boundaries. Statistics don't lie.

(Of course, I think corporations should be permitted to counter sue the school systems and the guilty family members of where this stuff is actually fostered.)

Regards,
Amy J