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To: Mary Cluney who wrote (5238)11/12/2005 7:13:25 PM
From: rich evans  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 542829
 
OK, so the conclusion is it was destroyed. I would submit the issue of where did the WMD go, is moot and so is the issue of should we have gone to war in Iraq. At least I think that is what our resident lawyer/judge, CB, would say. Now the issue is now what?

Zawahiri's letter and other facts show that AQ considers this the battle in Iraq to be the show down. AQ types are infiltrating into Iraq in large numbers. So that is where a large part of this Islamist war is right now. What would you do? I think we can turn Iraq into a AFGAN type conflict letting the iraqis do most of the fighting and use our special forces for recon and embed for coordination with airpower similar to AFGAN.
Rich



To: Mary Cluney who wrote (5238)11/13/2005 4:13:47 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 542829
 
Got a link for that? It doesn't really matter though. Here's why.

The Iraq Survey Group found that Saddam never gave up on his
WMD programs & worked hard to improve them right up until the
resumption of hostilities in 2003.

Saddam used the Oil-for-Food program to help finance it.
Saddam also used OFF monies to bribe politicians, journalists
& officials in the UN, France, Russia, Germany, China, ET AL.
    "Saddam Husayn so dominated the Iraqi Regime that its 
strategic intent was his alone. He wanted to end
sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute
his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) when sanctions were
lifted."

Charles Duelfer - Special Advisor to the Director of Central Intelligence (Iraq Survey Group)

cia.gov

Comprehensive Report of the
Special Advisor to the DCI
on Iraq’s WMD
30 September 2004

cia.gov

STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP (ISG)

fas.org

Key Excerpts from David Kay's Testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee

Senator McCain: "[Y]ou agree with the fundamental principle here that what we did was justified and enhance the security of the United States and the world by removing Saddam Hussein from power?"

David Kay: "Absolutely." "It would be hard to come to a conclusion other than Iraq was a gathering, serious threat"....

...."Iraq was in clear and material violation of 1441. They maintained programs and activities, and they certainly had the intentions at a point to resume their program. So there was a lot they wanted to hide because it showed what they were doing that was illegal. I hope we find even more evidence of that."

"The world is far safer with the disappearance and removal of Saddam Hussein" ....


(more here)
Message 19757747

    “I think at the end of the inspection process, we’ll 
paint a picture of Iraq that was far more dangerous than
even we thought it was before the war.”
    “It was of a system collapsing. It was a country that had 
the capability in weapons of mass destruction areas, and
terrorists, like ants to honey, were going after it.”
    Kay pointed out that prior to the war, the French, the 
British, the Germans and the UN “all thought Saddam
(Hussein) had weapons of mass destruction. Not
discovering them tells us we’ve got a more fundamental
problem”.
    He said, “The tendency to say, well, it must have been 
pressure from the White House, is absolutely wrong.”
Saddam “was putting more money into his nuclear
programme, he was pushing ahead his long-range missile
programme as hard as he could”.
    “We have collected dozens of examples of where he lied to 
the UN, violated Resolution 1441 and was in material
breach,” Kay added. He noted that Saddam “had the intent
to acquire these weapons. He invested huge amounts of
money in them. The fact is that he wasn’t successful”.
David Kay - Iraq Survey Group

Message 19740663

Duelfer Report: Saddam Planned to Restart WMD Programs

Message 20611962

No one could read even a small portion of the report and conclude that "Iraq had no WMDs" is a fair summary of its contents.

Message 20615946

When it comes to Charles Duelfer, the New York Times's motto is "All the News We See Fit to Print."

Message 20616191

The report contains a stunning (but not surprising) accusation that the former head of the $60 billion UN oil-for-food program accepted bribes in the form of vouchers for Iraqi oil sales from Saddam Hussein’s government.

Message 20616595

Far from keeping Saddam in his box, as critics of the war claim, the Duelfer report from the Iraq Survey Group shows how the same nations from whom Kerry craves approval happily supported Saddam's regime

Message 20619450

The release of the Duelfer report is actually bad news for Kerry

Message 20620010

The focus is on the Duelfer report, it's important to remember that the U.N. inspection regime was about providing positive evidence of Saddam's disarmament

Message 20620056

The Report That Nails Saddam

Message 20622263

MICHAEL BARONE joins with David Brooks in writing that media headlines are underplaying the Duelfer report:

Message 20623841

Misreporting the Duelfer report, again

Message 21273356

No Terrorism in Iraq Before the War?

Message 21063953

Bolstered by the increases in Oil-for-Food revenues that Annan negotiated, Saddam booted the weapons inspectors out of the country in 1998. Oil-for-Food became, increasingly, "Oil-for-Arms."

Message 21041075

Uh huh. It's always been about "stockpiles" of WMD's & nothing else

Message 21150613
Message 21273612

Uh huh, It's always been about "stockpiles" of WMD's &
absolutely nothing else........

Message 20911765