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To: neolib who wrote (6635)	12/12/2005 10:58:53 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Respond to of 543604

Worse than that, it ignored the local (Iraqi) view of America within the wider ME context. Worse than that, it wasn't used for the reasons we gave for using it. Bait and switch may be okay for supermarkets, but it's not okay for any country that wants to be taken seriously.

To: neolib who wrote (6635)	12/12/2005 11:36:58 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543604

"Worse than that, it ignored the local (Iraqi) view of America within the wider ME context." View? Which view? Prior to our invasion the official local "view" was 100% support of Saddam Hussein. Reasonable persons knew the "local view" was suspect. We knew there were at least 6 major forces in and about the region of Iraq in contention for power and left to their own recourses would effect the change with brutal and violent means. They are racist, fundamental, tyrannical, tribal, and political in general make-up who would attempt to commit genocide one to another if given full reign. Leaving the Kurdish group aside for the moment, you can fundamentally divide the majorities into Shi'ite and Sunni Muslim groups. We have heard a lot from the radical Sunnis via the Wahabi leader AL-Zaraqawi's followers. These extremists have voiced their intent to annihilate the Shi'ites of the region. Their counterparts on the Shi'ite front are best recognized by AL-Sadr's leadership. He was able to stand down the entire US and Iraqi combined military forces in an insurgency a few months back. He negotiated a settlement with the aid of an Iranian Mullah. AL Sadr is the only insurgent allowed to simply walk away as a free man. He declared his radical forces still in tact and directed them to recruit for the AL-MAHDI Army. The MAHDI is a character in Shi'ite and Sunni lore that will be revealed at a certain point (AL Sadr says soon) to establish world rule by Islamic forces. There are 1 billion Sunni/Shi'ite Muslims in the world who will definitely take sides to some degree or another when or if these contingencies clash. And of course, both have us at the top of their lists of barriers to world domination. So, if one or the other can gain a super power foot-hold, we can expect them to come a knockin'. This to me seems like a valid local view. There are other perspectives and other problematic concerns that are quite valid. We can hope for a better outcome. Oh, and we can do better than just hope for it we can actively support one.