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To: GraceZ who wrote (45717)	12/13/2005 11:19:50 AM
From: BWAC	Respond to of 306849

<How do you fight that with a government program?> Invent a program, mandate it, and require the States to pay for and adhere to it. Same as always. Who knows? Parental responsibility.

To: GraceZ who wrote (45717)	12/13/2005 11:37:57 AM
From: patron_anejo_por_favor	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

>>How do you fight that with a government program?<< Mandatory seizure of all Tee Vees....or outlaw all channels except mebbee PBS, the History Channel, and whatever channel Jeopardy is on?<G>

To: GraceZ who wrote (45717)	12/13/2005 1:38:16 PM
From: redfish	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

I'm doing my part by never having had cable ... it just encourages the bastages. Have a pair of rabbit ears that gets three channels. Have been completely ignorant of what is on teevee since Seinfeld went off the air.

To: GraceZ who wrote (45717)	12/14/2005 3:22:04 AM
From: shades	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

Bush is gonna try! mathematicallycorrect.com The impending changes in mathematics education are not based on any change in the mathematics that has been developed over thousands of years. Rather, they are based on a cluster of notions from teaching philosophy and a desire to implement them all at once. The driving force behind these changes is dissatisfaction with the continued declines in the achievement of American students, coupled with the idea that a set of goals should be developed that all students can attain. The position taken is that poor math achievement is the result of the traditional curriculum and the way it has been implemented by teachers. The fact that math education in countries with high levels of achievement does not look like these new programs, but rather like intensified versions of our own traditional programs, is never addressed. One of the philosophical components is the idea of Constructivism or discovery learning. This notion holds that students will learn math better if they are left to discover the rules and methods of mathematics for themselves, rather than being taught by teachers or textbooks. This is not unlike the Socratic method, minus Socrates. One of the problems with this approach is that teachers must be extremely skilled in these methods. Another is that "discovery" takes so long that considerably less material can be covered. A third problem is that the children sometimes "discover" the wrong "rules" and teachers don't always catch the error.

To: GraceZ who wrote (45717)	12/14/2005 3:22:33 AM
From: shades	Respond to of 306849

science.slashdot.org Chimpanzees Beat out Children in Reasoning Test Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Tuesday December 13, @11:23PM from the monkey-see-monkey-do dept. caffeinemessiah writes "The New York Times has a story on how chimpanzees seem to exhibit a better understanding of cause and effect than human children. While training chimps to perform a routine task with redundant steps, the chimps were able to figure out and eliminate the redundant steps, while the human children routinely performed them despite their evident uselessness. It says something about the way we learn compared to chimps and should be interesting to cognitive scientists and those interested in computational learning theory, at the least."

To: GraceZ who wrote (45717)	12/14/2005 12:56:07 PM
From: fatty	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

I think there is a difference between decline in literacy and lack of basic reading/writing/math skills. You can blame the TV for whatever you want but I think the only party responsible for lack of basic reading/writing/math skills is the teachers. They are given a full time job to educate a kid and they simply failed to do their job.

To: GraceZ who wrote (45717)	12/15/2005 12:29:51 AM
From: marcher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

"decline in literacy" What is this notion based on? Please read Berliner's recent piece about the effects of poverty and ethnicity on academic achievement. The politic in media's response to public education harms discussion. To respond in an intelligent manner to public education needs, individuals can improve perspective and understanding by reading academic sources. At this point, there appears to be no significant decline in math or literacy skills due to public education. What this country faces is a student population that brings to school more needs--needs related to economic disadvantage, ethnic difference, acculturation, and limited English proficiency. --Marc