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To: carranza2 who wrote (12671)	2/18/2006 4:36:04 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 541921

I agree with you about the Dems. I think the Dems should try to give Americans what they want- since this is supposed to sort of be a democracy. It's clear Americans aren't happy with the Iraqi adventure- and I think the Dems should come out with a clear statement about intervention in foreign arenas. For example- we could start with no more preemptive wars, and no more "regime change" - since those just aren't the kind of situations most Americans are going to want the US involved in. The Dems ought to come out strongly against pork- and hit the republicans in the budget, because that swollen bloated of cow of a budget, with Bush bumping it up by billions offline for Iraq, is a thing of embarrassment to republicans- since Bush is one, and the Iraqi money hole can be laid at his door. I think Dems ought to hit hard on the war on terror- and come out with some good solid (and constitutional) plans for securing the home front. Let them wave the flad AND tout fiscal responsibility- it's not like the two things are per se incompatible. I think the American people are desperate to buy something new- the polls show great disenchantment with Bush and his policies. The Dems, as you say, must offer Americans something they do wish to buy.

To: carranza2 who wrote (12671)	2/18/2006 6:53:45 PM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541921

The Dems have been out of touch. Until someone takes them screaming and yelling on a course to the right, they will continue to lose. On the contrary, I think it is their timid, half-move to the right which has cost them their party identity, as well as the respect of Progressives and Moderates who would like to actually have a choice at the ballot box. And with all due respect for you, sir, I would also question advice to hens coming from the foxes. I might also point out that Lieberman is no more a Dem than is Hanson. Part of the incredibly effective GOP political strategy has been having Dems In Name Only consistently pop up as Congresscritters, journalists, etc. This allows the GOP to further dilute the already weak Dem brand. (See the Cuellar kerfluffle for more of the same.) As proof of this, can anyone here think of a GOP equivalent for Lieberman or Cuellar? Or for that matter, Hanson?

To: carranza2 who wrote (12671)	2/18/2006 7:48:19 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 541921

The Dems have been out of touch. Until someone takes them screaming and yelling on a course to the right, they will continue to lose. It's safe to say that at the presidential level, neither side is "winning." It's, basically, a 50-50 proposition. At the house level, the seats that can turn over are increasingly, partially thanks to DeLay, few and far between. In those districts which are competitive, the races are heavily about local issues. Not solely, certainly. At the senate level, it's just not clear that a move to the "right" would generate more seats. That's true in Pennsylvania where Casey will be running against Santorum (if one defines the only issue as abortion, but not so on other issues, so it's complicated). To argue the senate would take a careful look at the who is running, who is vulnerable, and what the issues are. You could, back to the presidential level, equally argue that the Reps, having moved decisively to the right during the Bush administration, have to move to their left to capture the center. Frankly, I'm waiting for Michael Bloomberg to switch back to the Dems and run for president. ;-)