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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (10399)	3/19/2006 1:57:46 PM
From: Crimson Ghost	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

I would go even further Searle! The likelihood that the Balfour Declaration was the British payoff for Zionist efforts to get the US involved in World War 1 had a lot to do with HItler's fanatical hatred of the Jews IMHO-- and all the consequences of that hatred.

To: sea_urchin who wrote (10399)	3/21/2006 3:58:01 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Re: If we had made peace there would have been no collapse of Russia followed by Communism, no breakdown in Italy followed by Fascism, and Germany would not have signed the Versailles Treaty.... If America had stayed out of the war, all these 'isms' wouldn't be sweeping the continent of Europe and breaking down parliamentary government, and if England had made peace early in 1917 it would have saved over one million British, French, American and other lives" (The Hidden Tyranny, p.15). << And that was only WW1 -- WW2 followed and possibly even WW3 -- and all for sweet, little Israel. You're stretching your point into a captious "bait-and-switch": from the Zionists' siding with the Allies AT THE END of WWI you surmise that they single-handedly plotted the breakout of WWI itself!! For all my opposition to Judeofascism, I would never go that far.... I believe most historians agree on the fact that the US government was pressed by several ethnic minorities in opposite directions: Irish- and German-Americans didn't want the US to enter the war alongside Britain. Conversely, Protestant bankers in Wall Street (J. Pierpont Morgan, eg) favor an alliance with Britain and France (and Italy) against the Central Powers.... I guess it's fair to say that Zionists carefully watched which way the wind was blowing so that they placed their bets on the winner. If the Central Powers had won WWI then the Zionists would have lobbied the Kaiser and his Ottoman/Turkish ally into granting them a homeland in Palestine all the same. Remember, after all, that Germany's rightwing politicians (including the Nazis) favored a Jewish homeland outside Europe and encouraged Jewish emigration.... Of course, it would have been harder for Germany to win over her Turkish ally to the idea of a Jewish homeland in Muslim land but then, Germany and Austria-Hungary would have been able to offer parts of Bulgaria, Romania and Russia's caucasus to Turkey in exchange.... Finally, let's not forget that the first "Zionists" were the CATHOLIC Popes, princes and knights of medieval Europe who waged a dozen crusades to turn the Holy Land into a Christian kingdom... It's a pity they failed, isn't it? I mean, suppose that, back in 1187, the Templars and the lords of the kingdom of Jerusalem had successfully repelled Saladin and his Muslim "jihadists". Then, in 1919, we can hardly expect the European powers to sell out the Christian kingdom of Jerusalem to a bunch of Jewish schemers. If the Catholic crusaders had prevailed then the Zionists would have been compelled to look elsewhere to set up their Israeli utopia --Uganda? Madagascar? Patagonia? You tell me.... Gus

To: sea_urchin who wrote (10399)	3/21/2006 6:06:32 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Footnote to my previous post: Adolf Eichmann In brief - Karl Adolf Eichmann (1906-1962) headed Gestapo Department IV B4 for Jewish Affairs, serving as a self proclaimed 'Jewish specialist' and was the man responsible for keeping the trains rolling from all over Europe to death camps during the Final Solution. Eichmann was born on March 19, 1906 near Cologne, Germany, into a middle class Protestant family. His family moved to Austria following the death of young Adolf''s mother. He spent his youth in Linz, Austria, which had also been Hitler's home town. As a boy, Eichmann was teased about his looks and dark complexion and was nicknamed "the little Jew" by classmates. After failing to complete his engineering studies, Eichmann had various jobs including working as a laborer in his father's small mining company, working in sales for an electrical construction company and also worked as a travelling salesman for an American oil company. In 1932 at age 26 he joined the growing Austrian Nazi Party at the suggestion of his friend Ernst Kaltenbrunner. Eichmann then became a member of the SS and in 1934 served as an SS corporal at Dachau concentration camp. In September 1934 Eichmann found relief from the monotony of that assignment by getting a job in Heydrich's SD, the powerful SS security service. Eichmann started out as a filing clerk cataloging information about Freemasons. He was then assigned to the Jewish section which was busy collecting information on all prominent Jews. This marked the beginning of Eichmann's interest in the Jews. He studied all aspects of Jewish culture, attended Jewish meetings and often visited Jewish sections of cities while taking volumes of notes. He became familiar with the issue of Zionism, studied Hebrew and could even speak a bit of Yiddish. He gradually became the acknowledged 'Jewish specialist,' realizing this could have positive implications for his career in the SS. He soon attracted the attention of Heydrich and SS Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler who appointed Eichmann to head a newly created SD Scientific Museum of Jewish Affairs. Eichmann was then assigned to investigate possible "solutions to the Jewish question." He visited Palestine in 1937 to discuss the possibility of large scale immigration of Jews to the Middle East with Arab leaders. British authorities, however, ordered him out of the country. [Eichmann, the German Balfour?] With the Nazi takeover of Austria in March of 1938, Eichmann was sent to Vienna where he established a Central Office for Jewish Emigration. This office had the sole authority to issue permits to Jews desperately wanting to leave Austria and became engaged in extorting wealth in return for safe passage. Nearly a hundred thousand Austrian Jews managed to leave with most turning over all their worldly possessions to Eichmann's office, a concept so successful that similar offices were established in Prague and Berlin. In 1939 Eichmann returned to Berlin where he was appointed the head of Gestapo Section IV B4 of the new Reich Main Security Office (RSHA). He was now responsible for implementation of Nazi policy toward the Jews in Germany and all occupied territories (eventually totaling 16 countries). Eichmann thus became one of the most powerful men in the Third Reich and would remain head of IV B4 for the remainder of the Reich. In July 1940 Eichmann presented his Madagascar Plan proposing to deport European Jews to the island of Madagascar, off the coast of east Africa. The plan was never implemented. Following the start of World War Two and the occupation of Poland and the Soviet Union, SS Einsatz groups murdered members of the aristocracy, professionals, clergy, political commissars, suspected saboteurs, Jewish males and anyone deemed a security threat. In Poland, which had the largest Jewish population in Europe (3.35 million) Heydrich and Eichmann ordered the Jews to be rounded up and forced into ghettos and labor camps. Inside ghettos such as Warsaw, large numbers of Jews were deliberately confined in very small areas, resulting in overcrowding and death through disease and starvation. [snip] historyplace.com