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To: epicure who wrote (19053)	5/18/2006 11:40:01 AM
From: Suma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543529

I ditto E's remarks.. I also only pick up what I hear on NPR in late night hours. It seems that some of the Governors of border states were upset that they had not been consulted before his announcement about troops. However he is in some of these states today rectifying things. The Governor of AZ... said that she had been informed by a call from Karl Rove. I think the president is doing his best but he has a lot of hurdles right now with a myriad of opinions as to the solution for a momentous problem.. I have not even formed my position as yet, vacillating between conservative compassion for immigrants to anger that they are illegal and citizens cannot even vote when they have violated the law... This would immediately preclude voting... I liked that article Dale posted earlier and it helped me to form some thoughts about the problem. What is your personal position on this topic. Or tell me what the Libertarian view point is.

To: epicure who wrote (19053)	5/18/2006 12:06:53 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 543529

It's not about the centrism, for me, it's about the risk reward ratio. I don't see centrism as the key factor in the immigration question, either. To me all programs are first and foremost about feasibility. If it's not feasible, risk/reward is irrelevant. I'm not advocating a centrist approach to immigration, in general, nor Bush's approach, in particular. Actually, I don't think Bush's approach is feasible, as it would likely be implemented. That's me from the systems perspective. But this is a political thread about centrism as a political approach so you'd think that, when the pres actually does something centrist for a change, the thread might remark about that approach either in the contest of or independent of the issue to which he's applied it. At least I would. I understand your explanation as applies to you, though. My observation wasn't directed at you in particular. Politics and systems analysis are inherently in conflict. Designing a feasible system by committee is a fool's errand. What might work in this case is politically unlikely although I continue to be on the lookout for a miracle. Mostly, though, my remaining questions re what's on the table for immigration is would it be better to do something that won't work or better not to do anything. So maybe that's risk/reward after all, but a pessimistic version of it. More like risk/risk. <g>