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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: philv who wrote (11090)	6/5/2006 11:00:13 AM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 22250

Phil > most Jews would probably argue that not to support Israel and its policies completely is an anti-Jew stance, and works against the Jewish people in Israel. In fact, there are and always were many Jews who opposed the idea of the State of Israel. Quite apart from it being against the tenets of the Jewish religion, it also places the Jew who lives in the diasporah in an impossibly hard predicament -- is he a citizen of Israel or of the country in which he lives? And, quite clearly, being a loyal citizen of one country means one cannot be a loyal citizen of another. Of course, the Zionists have managed to get around this little problem by confusing Zionism ( = support for the State of Israel) with Judaism ( = observance of the historic Jewish religion). But if one goes a little deeper in no way does the Jewish religion lend support to the idea of a Jewish secular state. In fact, the basis of the Promised Land concept is a covenant whereby, if the Jews kept a number of laws and lead a particular type of life, the Messiah MAY come and lead them to the Promised Land. There is no suggestion or hint in Jewish religious texts (Torah) that the Jews could simply grab the land, in fact, steal it from the people who were living there, as they have done. Furthermore, the Jewish religion (Commandments) expressly prohibits activity of this sort. The idea that the State of Israel was given to the Jews by God is a lie but, as Goebbels is reputed to have said so eloquently, the bigger the lie and the more it is repeated the more people believe it.

To: philv who wrote (11090)	6/20/2006 10:55:28 AM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 22250

To be quite honest with you, Searle, I was one who did not differentiate between Zionism and Judaism. Has this message board even properly defined the term Zionism yet? Who would like to define what a Zionist is or what Zionism entails? There is more than one Zion you know. This list needs to learn to distinguish between the two. And has the board properly defined the term "anti-Semite" or "anti-Semitism"? Or are some here still allowing the Jewish-controlled media to teach them how to think?