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To: neolib who wrote (192654)	7/22/2006 2:13:10 PM
From: Sdgla	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<significantly fewer Arabs must hold that view> Tell me how you would accomplish that ? How do you make a peace with someone who has zero interest in arriving at that goal ?

To: neolib who wrote (192654)	7/22/2006 2:54:05 PM
From: skinowski	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

some not insignificant fraction of Arabs will not accept anything less than the exit of Jews (or at least total loss of power) from Palestine. Probably MOST of them would accept nothing less then seeing the area which is presently Israel reverting back to Muslim rule. The sad part is that indeed they OUGHT to feel this way - if they really follow their religious beliefs. I decided for myself a long time ago that Israel has as much right to exist as any other nation. Therefore, discussions about the "legitimacy" of its origins - to me - is just empty chatter and a waste of time. Do I think they should be allowed to defend themselves? Of course. Am I confident that they will do so successfully in the long run? No. not in making matters worse What would be a more "constructive" reaction to having a hostile army "rain" rockets on your cities?

To: neolib who wrote (192654)	7/22/2006 5:30:15 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't buy that Nadine. I can readily agree that some individuals or groups (ethnic, religious, whatever) may resort to violence more quickly, but there is always some motivation which (always??) includes failure of less drastic means. Do you say this on evidence, or is it just a statement of faith? For example, what else did the Palestinians try before they turned to terrorism? Do include a study of the Mufti's career in your research - check out the riots of 1920 and 1929. Conversely, a resort to violence and a resort to terrorism are not the same thing. George Washington was very weak against the British regulars, and he fought in ways they definitely thought were against the rules (shooting from behind trees, and all that), BUT Washington did not seize and kill British cilivian hostages as a nifty way to demoralize the British in America. Indeed, it was a major grievance with the American side that the British maintained Indian allies whose normal mode of war made no distiction between soldiers and civilians or between men and women and children. Where I agree with you and Mike is that some not insignificant fraction of Arabs will not accept anything less than the exit of Jews (or at least total loss of power) from Palestine. ... IMO, it must be changed, or at least significantly fewer Arabs must hold that view, in order for peace to hold. In the meantime, Israel can do things that discourage the Arabs from hoping to be able to dislodge Israel, as opposed to encouraging them. Looking back, did the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon encourage or discourage Arab hopes?