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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (194135)7/31/2006 5:06:28 PM
From: SARMAN  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hey HAWK the Lebanese children wish to thank you personally for the gifts that your tax money keeps sending, however, they are DEAD.







To: Hawkmoon who wrote (194135)7/31/2006 6:14:22 PM
From: neolib  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 281500
 
Maybe they need to change that image as well...

No argument there...

And what have the Jews received in exchange for playing by the rules (purchasing land from Arab owners with dubious legal title to the land they inhabited)?? Wars of extermination being perpetrated against them.

And what I have tried to point out is anyone else attempting to accomplish the same thing today would face the same results. For example, ex-Rhodesians/S. Africans attempting to carve out part of Fiji. Does not matter if said 3rd parties with no stake in the issue say the Fijians should allow it, and it does not matter if some fraction of Fijian landowners profit by selling out.

It is just not Jews & Arabs. Jews and Arabs got along much better 100 years ago than they do now. Please point out any other attempt in the last 50-60 years to create a state by importing the vast bulk of the new populace without the willing consent of the vast bulk of the existing populace.

When one country wars against another, the victor almost always claims land that they have conquered and shed blood for. And thus, the UN charter attempted to impose international rules that would prohibit future wars of expansion.

So why didn't the Allieds keeps significant portions of the Axis lands permanently. If anything, the results of WWI taught anyone with a brain, that equitable peace is the best long term preventative against war. Unjust peace is not.

And why have the Palestinians CONSISTENTLY FAILED TO RESPOND POSITIVELY to Israel's offers to grants them a significant portion of the West Bank for their Palestinian state?

I have never seen ANY map of the West Bank from ANY of these agreements that I would accept either. Could you provide a link to one that you think is reasonable?



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (194135)7/31/2006 6:22:27 PM
From: neolib  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hawk, you still have not answered the part I'm most interested in: What is different in S. Lebanon that will work? How is the Israeli approach going to work given the history of Lebanon I, Gaza, Afghanistan, and Iraq? What is the magic this time? Will we then take this magic and apply it to Gaza, Afghanistan, and Iraq shortly, so we can have peace there as well?