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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (9476)	9/19/2006 4:21:22 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 217752

<Which is why I'm a bit disappointed with TJ's view on China. Although I guess I can understand why he's so hesitant to criticize his own government's unwillingness to adopt democratic reforms. He doesn't want to be kicked off his "money rock" and land in a Chinese prison.> I was going to write something, along those lines, but it doesn't seem quite right. I think it's more along the lines of the Chinese all sitting up very, very straight in the Great Hall of the People or wherever it was, during the proceedings I saw. No doubt they were all told they were on show to the world, so to put on a great show of togetherness and sit up straight. No slouching. They did. I don't believe if one had slouched they'd have been dragged out and shot or gaoled, but maybe they'd have had their careers sidelined in the bureaucracy. Even in the corporate world [or the military world you have inhabited], there isn't a lot of room for individualists. Which is why I always figured [as a youngster] I'd be a commando if I ended up in the army and why I was a bit of a round peg in a square hole in the corporate world [though I managed it very well and did just fine anyway]. It was reflected in Jiang Zemin standing in the back of his limo being driven up and down the troops and gathered crowds. Now and then he'd call out "Zieg" and the crowd would call loudly, "Heil", or something that meant about the same. I don't think it was "Have" and the reply "Fun". Or "Feel", "Free". Though Jiang was a jolly chap and liked to lead a sing along [provided no untidy demonstrators were lurking in the vicinity - he wouldn't go past them in NZ]. Maybe TJ is feeling some nationalistic xenophobic fervour and there is more than a hint of that at times. I don't have an easily-defined category such as victim of Stockholm Syndrome for TJ. There's significant nihilism, fatalism and powerlessness other than in a narrow sphere of his own control [I hope you are enjoying this free psycho-analysis TJ], which I suppose derived from his early days of fearing the tractors coming for his father but enjoying pulling up carrots, which are kind of gold-coloured and found in the ground, just like gold. TJ has too many links to the rest of the world to be mindlessly subsumed by China's strictures. But one likes to have identity and he probably doesn't have strong affinity for USA/NZ or Japan. So, from a nationalistic tribal patriotic point of view, apparently needed by chimpoid species for a sense of security, China is the best thing available. Christians and Buddhists have [purists anyway] a universality in their ideology and philosophies. Chinese don't have that [speaking generally, which is annoying to have to say, but some idiot will say "I know a Chinese who is a buddhist and there's a Christian church in Shanghai]. Christians limit their universality to humans. Buddhists go for the whole living realm and not satisfied with that, throw the whole kit and kaboodle in there too, aiming for self-denial and tenth-dan Nirvana. Hindus have elements of this stuff too. Regarding low expectations, I like that idea of the bigotry of low expectations. "What can you expect of China anyway other than mayhem and carnage? We the wonderful should NOT lower ourselves to their squalid standards." I wonder if water-boarding would be considered torture if China did it to Americans they catch illegally inside China. Just to get hold of vital information about Taiwan of course, since the USA is threatening China. I would certainly feel tortured if somebody did that to me after freezing me for a day or two, making me really, really hungry and not letting me sleep, while tying my hands tightly so my circulation is cut and nerves go dead with the stress. I imagine if Iranians caught some Americans and did that to them for a couple of years, some Americans would start whining that it was against SPCA rules. Mqurice PS: As you say, the USA supported such regimes traditionally and enthusiastically, the most ridiculous one being support of Osama's lot against Gorby. Which came back in a big way! Karma is a wonderful thing. China hasn't got the religion yet, and one needs to be careful when being a reformed smoker that one isn't too harsh about those smoking. Though I did order our daughter off the property a week ago when she was smoking [only partly in jest].

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (9476)	9/19/2006 8:48:07 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217752

Hello HMoon, ... and those expectations are dashed. That was the point I was making all along. The expectations are dashed by people who believe as you do, which is leading the world to absolute no good, and that is precisely why you are ping-ed, seeing as CB is apparently reformed to some extent. As to China, it happens to be traveling in the correct direction, as far as I can see, and I see enough. As to non-interference, or in your view, <<Bejing won't butt into our internal affairs and wax melodic about democratic reforms>> ... I am guessing you do not agree with Captain Kirk and the Star Trek approach to good manners and smart strategy. Of course not, since character Captain Kirk of the Enterprise is too similar to a China-enabled Moslem real person known as admiral Zheng He, as opposed to commonly spun yarn that Kirk was based on some common and thieving pirate. Chugs, J