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To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (2870)	10/16/2006 3:46:56 PM
From: DMaA	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

Glad to see you agree with me.

To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (2870)	10/16/2006 3:47:55 PM
From: pompsander	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

If a person has one glass of red wine with dinner each day and drinks nothing else, how would they be classified?

To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (2870)	10/16/2006 4:06:19 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 10087

Where are you getting this fact about "one drink a day". Could you point me to the place in the study that claims this? I can't find it. Perhaps you and DMH are using different definition of the term "abuse". (vagueness in terms often causes misunderstandings on SI) If DMH was using it in the sense that many people have abused alcohol it at some point, say one night of binge drinking in college at a frat party, the numbers will be very high. This site set a fairly low bar for alcohol abuse- and I think lends credence to DMH's post. Alcohol abuse differs from alcoholism in that it does not include an extremely strong craving for alcohol, loss of control over drinking, or physical dependence. Alcohol abuse is defined as a pattern of drinking that results in one or more of the following situations within a 12-month period: • Failure to fulfill major work, school, or home responsibilities; • Drinking in situations that are physically dangerous, such as while driving a car or operating machinery; • Having recurring alcohol-related legal problems, such as being arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or for physically hurting someone while drunk; and • Continued drinking despite having ongoing relationship problems that are caused or worsened by the drinking. Although alcohol abuse is basically different from alcoholism, many effects of alcohol abuse are also experienced by alcoholics. sabryabdelfattah.tripod.com

To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (2870)	10/16/2006 4:18:46 PM
From: Elroy Jetson	Respond to of 10087

Actually when "binge drinking" is defined as "Drinking five or more drinks on the same occasion on at least 1 day in the past 30 days" the percentage of "binge drinkers" drops to less than 15%. oas.samhsa.gov The figure rises to 22% only when you include those who have one drink per day every day. .

To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (2870)	10/16/2006 4:24:12 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

Ah- this may be the problem. You seem to equate alcoholism with alcohol abuse, and they are very different. YOu can abuse alcohol and not be an alcoholic, but most alcoholics have probably abused alcohol. Also I find this statement to be rather astonishing, and a very presumptuous and I suspect inaccurate generalization. I saw you bring up this definition early on in a reference to "dry drunk", but now you are applying to every alcoholic, and if you are going to do that, you will need some sources. Their behavior is self-centered, grandiose, dishonest, short-tempered and belligerent. They frequently lie, even about things which don't matter and even when telling the truth would be more beneficial. That's not what most people are like, but that's an alcoholic, even while sober