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To: one_less who wrote (4816)	11/15/2006 11:17:17 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

Implementation is a separate animal. Congress is a closed system, so at some point you will need a Congress person to sponsor your idea in congress. Its not just a matter of getting a law passed. Lets break things down a bit. 1 - Do you have a real problem? - Yes 2 - Do you have a plan to solve the problem? - Yes 3 - It gets passed - That probably won't be easy. 4 - Can it be practically implemented once its passed? 5 - Does it achieve your aims, at least partially? 6 - Are there side effects that might be harmful? 7 - Can it be maintained, or will it be overturned or subverted (left officially in place, but weakened or gotten around). If your just trying to express a general principle then its one thing but if you want to implement an actual program than 3,4,5, 6, and 7 should be considered near the beginning, not just 1 and 2. If it can't get passed it goes nowhere. If its impossible to implement once passed then its a waste of time, and even if its just difficult to put in place in a fully functional way, maybe another scheme would be better. If it doesn't achieve the aims, or at least improve things then its for naught, and may be worse for nothing because it may take the steam out of other methods that might do better. If it causes other problems it might not be worth it. It it can't be maintained then the benefit will only be temporary.

To: one_less who wrote (4816)	11/15/2006 11:21:23 AM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 10087

There is a Muslim conspiracy to conquer Europe/The West and destroy Western civilization from the inside. All Muslims play a part and have a role in this conspiracy. Americans need to realize that we in the UK/ Europe are further down the road on which the USA is just starting. 1. The majority of so-called peaceful muslims provide either silent support and the required manpower. 2. Muslim governments provide money, bases, and logistics, while their home populations live self pitying poverty. 3. Islamic schools and mosques arrange for the necessary brainwashing away from the gaze of the so-called investigative journalists whose betrayal of the societies that nurtured them knows no bounds. 4. Both Muslim businessmen and the Muslim middle classes in western countries give money and verbal support and try to spread the lie that there is a difference between Islamists and the mythical moderate Muslims. 5. Moslems breed at treble the rate of non muslims and will very soon reach critical mass in some western countries. Then they will be able to dictate foreign policy, as in Spain and as the Perps videos show after ther 7/7 bombings in London. (Demanded that we change our foreign Policy!) 6. The truly moronic Quisling leftist press handle the publicity while denigrating all Western Institutions 7. Islams hatred of the West is now spilling into the Left's lexicon of hatred for Western civilization. They will trot out the same old tired answers and apologies that basically say the West deserves it anyway. 8. The USA is uncertain what to do because it is host to less virulant Islam at the moment. That is because the USA is at least 5 years behind in this process. In the UK, the early muslim immigrants were just like any other immigrant group and tried to assimilate into western society. This is not true now and hasn't been for some time. 9. If you want to know what is in store for the USA/UK/Europe, just read a little about Hindu/Indian history. They have had 1400 years of mayhem from Islam. 10. Muslims do not and have never lived in peace with non muslims, so why do we in the West think that we will be different.

To: one_less who wrote (4816)	11/15/2006 12:14:32 PM
From: Jim S	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

I'm not disagreeing, gem. Only saying that stating broad principles like, "there should be no corruption," doesn't move the propisition very far down the road. IMPLEMENTATION is the bugaboo. I suspect even congress critters Murtha, Cunningham, and Jefferson would agree with the principle and would vote for it, even as they continued their corrupt practices. "Americans should love their country" is another such broad idea, but people will hold signs professing their allegience while they burn the flag. It's the movement from principle to practice that holds the difficulty.