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To: pompsander who wrote (759906)2/28/2007 8:45:43 PM
From: longnshort  Respond to of 769670
 
yes



To: pompsander who wrote (759906)2/28/2007 9:48:53 PM
From: GROUND ZERO™  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
Of course, what do you suppose chavez was there in iran for? He wasn't taking a vacation there for his health, he's forming an alliance with them, look how outspoken chavez is about hating the United States, he's no different than the iranian guy, except chavez is more of a hot dog, a bit flamboyant, but he must be taken very seriously, chavez is a castro wannabee, but far more dangerous because he has all the money he wants to build his military... he spends more than 85% of his annual budget on his military while his people are starving... doesn't that tell you anything? What do you need before you see it?

The fact that you appear surprised at the very idea tells me how unbelievably naive most people really are (not intended as a slight to you) about reading the situation, but it's very obvious to me and hopefully to many others too, it's as clear a day, how people don't see it is beyond me...

GZ



To: pompsander who wrote (759906)2/28/2007 10:00:33 PM
From: GROUND ZERO™  Respond to of 769670
 
I don't think I answered your question about whether iran would sell a nuclear weapon to chavez, I only addressed chavez's intentions with iran... but, to answer your question, absolutely yes... iran will sell anything destructive to chavez because chavez represents an opportunity for iran to reach the United States with their nuclear weapons, once obtained...

We already know that iran is supplying terrorists in iraq and hezzbollah against Israel... there is no stretch required here to see how deliciously enticing it would be for iran to say they are within reach (cuba is only 90 miles from here) and can strike at will at the United States through their alliance with chavez, chavez isn't in cuba now for the food and spa, he's dealing with castro to place iranian missiles... how people don't see it is absolutely amazing to me...

How the world remains asleep while these people weave their schemes...

GZ



To: pompsander who wrote (759906)2/28/2007 10:55:46 PM
From: Hope Praytochange  Respond to of 769670
 
Ghost Prisons Or Club Med?

Publication: IBD; Date:2007 Mar 01; Section:Issues & Insights; Page Number: A12

War On Terror: According to the George Soros-funded Human Rights Watch, the CIA tortured terrorist detainees. But pizza, chocolate bars, movies, chess lessons and a well-stocked library make for strange torments.

President Bush was leveling with the American people in September when he said he couldn’t describe the interrogation methods used against captured terrorist suspects held by the CIA in foreign prisons.
“If I did,” he said, “it would help the terrorists learn how to resist questioning, and to keep information from us that we need to prevent new attacks on our country. But I can say the procedures were tough, and they were safe, and lawful, and necessary.”
Despite the claims in Human Rights Watch’s new “Ghost Prisoner” report that U.S. interrogation methods “included torture and other cruel and inhumane treatment — and were anything but lawful,” the organization provides nothing to disprove the president’s words, and much to support them.
As Bush said last year, “Questioning the detainees in this program has given us information that has saved innocent lives by helping us stop new attacks — here in the United States and across the world.”
Clearly, more than five years without a terrorist attack on the homeland is in large part due to the information obtained through this commendable wartime innovation. We can thank the Bush administration and the intelligence community for this: tough grilling of terrorist enablers in overseas locales, thus avoiding having the equivalent of an ACLU lawyer standing watch.
“Ghost” in the title of the group’s report is apt, considering the vaporous nature of what it presents as evidence of mistreatment. It focuses mainly on Marwan Ibrahim Ali al-Jabour, a 30-year-old alleged al-Qaida financier born in Jordan and raised in Saudi Arabia, who was held by the CIA for about two years.
Now free, al-Jabour has reportedly admitted to the Washington Post that he helped al-Qaida and Taliban militants who fled Afghanistan as U.S. forces were hunting down those involved in the 9/11 attacks.
Readers will find themselves more than two-thirds the way through the Washington Post’s story covering the HRW report, however, before discovering that al-Jabour “was threatened with physical abuse but was never beaten” by his U.S. captors.
He was apparently beaten by the Pakistanis who first captured him. And in U.S. custody, apparently in Afghanistan, he was at various times kept naked, shackled so he couldn’t sit or stand, blindfolded, yelled at by a female interrogator, injected with a drug that made him “groggy,” and subjected to loud music “like the soundtrack from a horror movie,” as well as 24-hour lighting in his cell.
Human Rights Watch itself reports, however, that he was also eventually provided with “a movie once a week.” The report notes: “The facility had a list of 200-250 films, including big-budget Hollywood films, documentaries, cartoons, sports, horror movies, and wrestling.” Al-Jabour also enjoyed exercise in “a large gymnastics room,” a weekly shower, pizza, Snickers, Twix and Kit-Kat bars, as well as “a watch, a calendar and a prayer schedule.”
One of his guards even “taught (al-)Jabour how to play chess” and “about four months before he left, he was given a computer chess set, and a small video game.” According to HRW, “(al-)Jabour spent much of his time reading. The prison had a big library with . . . by the time he left, more than a thousand books in a variety of languages. The majority were in Arabic, but there were also books in languages such as Urdu, Persian, Indonesian and English.”
After his first six months, he was given a cell that was “about 5 meters by 7 meters in size, with a mattress, a pillow, a sink, some books of Koranic interpretation, and some strawberries.”
Ask Motel 6 for strawberries sometime. All in all, it may be the best treatment of enemy prisoners in world history.
And, combined with tough, effective interrogation methods, it proves that the Bush administration is as committed to humane treatment of terrorist prisoners (which, frankly, is too good for them) as it is to winning the global war on terror.



To: pompsander who wrote (759906)3/1/2007 4:38:46 AM
From: GROUND ZERO™  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
The clear link between iraq and al quaida exists... anyone who cannot understand this is in serious denial...

Here's some factual info:

Some of the terror groups funded, sheltered, or trained in Iraq:

Abu Nidal organization
Ansar al-Islam
Arab Liberation Front
Hamas
Kurdistan Workers Party
Mujahedin-a Khalq
Palestine Liberation Front

A few facts about Saddam Hussein and terrorism:

In 1991 an Iraqi embassy car took two terrorists to the Thomas Jefferson Cultural Center in Manila. As they were attempting to plant a bomb, it exploded killing one of them. Iraqi diplomat Muwafak al-Ani was expelled from the Philippines.

Ayman al-Zawahiri, al Qaida's #2 man, visited Saddam Hussein in Baghdad in 1992 per Qassen Hussein Muhammed, a 20 year veteran of Iraqi intelligence. This was reported by ABC's Nightline and by PBS in 2002.

US forces found documents in Tikrit showing that Ahmed Rahman Yasin, who made the explosive used in the first attempt to bring down the WTC in 1993 (six killed, 1042 injured), was given a house and a monthly salary by Saddam. The attack occurred on the Friday just before the weekend in which fell the second anniversary of Iraq's defeat in the first Gulf war.

Osama bin Ladin's February 22, 1998 fatwa calling on Muslims to kill Americans followed President Bill Clinton's February 18, 1998 threat of war with Saddam and was seemingly in answer to it. UN sanctions on Iraq were a chief complaint cited in bin Ladin's fatwa. The August 7, 1998 Kenyan and Tanzanian US embassy bombings by al Qaida occurred on the anniversary of sanctions on Iraq. A few days before Saddam had demanded the end of sanctions and threatened violent repercussions if they weren't immediately lifted.

The Clinton Justice Dept's indictment of bin Ladin included this charge: "Al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq."

Malaysian intelligence took photos in January 2000 of Iraqi intelligence agent Ahmed Hikmat Shakir meeting with al Qaida members.

In October 2000, Iraqi intelligence agent Salah Sulieman was arrested by Pakistani authorities near the Afghan border.

In October 2002, members of Abu Musab al Zarqawi's cell operating from Iraq murdered Lawrence Foley, an AID official, in Amman Jordan. The captured assassin said he received orders and funds from Zarqawi in Iraq. His accomplice escaped to Iraq after the attack. Zarqawi's organization is now called "al Qaida in Iraq." Zarqawi had previously taught bomb-making at an al Qaida training camp in Afghanistan until the US invasion of Afghanistan, whereupon he fled to Iraq.

The Philippine government expelled Hisham al-Hussein, second secretary at Iraq's embassy in Manila, on February 13, 2003. Cell phone records showed he'd been in contact with two Abu Sayyaf (an al Qaida affiliate) leaders, Abu Madja and Hamsiraji Sali, just before and after an attack on October 2, 2002. In the attack, two Filipinos and one American, US Special Forces Sergeant First Class Mark Wayne Jackson, were killed.

Note: Abu Nidal lived in Iraq from 1992-2002, when he is said to have shot himself at his home. Khala Khadar al-Salahat, an Abu Nidal deputy who provided the Semtex to Libyan agenst which brought down Pan Am 103 in December 1988 (259 dead), was captured in Baghdad by Marines after the invasion of Iraq.

The Palestine Liberation Front killed handicapped American Leon Klinghoffer, a passanger on the Achille Lauro cruise ship. The terrorists involved in this attack, including leader Abu Abbas, were captured in Italy after their plane was forced to land at a NATO base in Sicily by US planes. Abu Abbas was released by Italian authorities as he was carrying an Iraqi diplomatic passport. Abbas died in US custody after being captured by US forces during the invasion of Iraq.

Information from Richard Miniter's book, Disinformation, on media myths about the war on terror:

nationalreview.com
usatoday.com (abdul rahman yasin) ww.washtimes.com
nationalreview.com
weeklystandard.com
us.rediff.com.news

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GZ