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To: neolib who wrote (225523)	3/29/2007 10:41:01 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Israel should respond that they are excited about a comprehensive peace plan, and they want to jointly see if a solution can be obtained. Clearly any sovereign state controls it's own immigration, so Israel should retain that right. In addition, Pals should stay in Pal state. However, WB settlements should not stay in Pal state either. Both sides can give, that is required. Further issues are the holy sites, and both sides should accommodate each other. It would rapidly be up to the Pals to show their response, and with joint Arab & world pressure, this would likely be their best shot at a reasonable future. If they fail to take it, the rest of the world needs to clearly remember the missed opportunity, and who was too blame. Israel needs to very clearly not provide the Pals, the Arabs, or the rest of the world with reason to blame them instead. Israel needs to look very carefully at the fundamentally important issues for their state, vs. the rather tangential ones. My own opinion is that following 9/11 Bush should have taken the Saudi plan when first floated, and put $500B into that rather than Iraq. But just my 2 cents. Well, I think your response ignores the fact the the 300 million Arab/Muslim neighbors of Israel don't want to cede any part of Arabia to create a Jewish homeland in "Arabia". If you can get the Arabs to state that they agree there should be a Jewish homeland somewhere inside Arabia, then you have prospects for peace. However, from what I can tell, that's not in their mindset. Do you think any Africans anywhere would be willing to create a "white African" homeland somewhere in Africa? Not a shared mixed land, but a "white African" homeland? It's not even the same question since the Jews have been in the ME since forever, but that essentially is the issue (in the minds of the Arabs) as far as I can tell. Your comment that the world needs to see the missed opportunity of the Pals clearly is silly. The Pals had an amazing offer in 2000 from the Barak-Arafat-Clinton negotiations, responded with chaos, and who cares? Nobody but the Israelis, who live amidst the chaos.

To: neolib who wrote (225523)	3/29/2007 11:51:12 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

It would rapidly be up to the Pals to show their response, and with joint Arab & world pressure, this would likely be their best shot at a reasonable future. If they fail to take it, the rest of the world needs to clearly remember the missed opportunity, and who was too blame. Like in 1948, 1967, 1973, 1979, 1988, 1993, 2000, you mean? The Pals have shown their response - over and over and over and over and over. The world blames Israel anyway. This has greatly encouraged the Arabs about the "peace" process, which they regard as a "piece by piece" process. Each time they hope to extract another big concession without giving up anything themselves. Until Israel is destroyed.