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To: Elroy who wrote (225529)	3/29/2007 10:55:57 AM
From: neolib	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

Well, I think your response ignores the fact the the 300 million Arab/Muslim neighbors of Israel don't want to cede any part of Arabia to create a Jewish homeland in "Arabia". If you can get the Arabs to state that they agree there should be a Jewish homeland somewhere inside Arabia, then you have prospects for peace. However, from what I can tell, that's not in their mindset. The current Saudi plan is based on doing just that, at least at the governmental level. True, it might not filter down to the Arab street accepting Israel. Do you think any Africans anywhere would be willing to create a "white African" homeland somewhere in Africa? Not a shared mixed land, but a "white African" homeland? It's not even the same question since the Jews have been in the ME since forever, but that essentially is the issue (in the minds of the Arabs) as far as I can tell. I suspect S. Africa could have been partitioned into a White state in the south western Cape. This is partly for historical reasons. The whites have been there since the late 1600's, and the natives from the region died out. The Bantu never made it that far south in Africa. However, in doing so, the whites would have given up almost all the mineral wealth of S. Africa. In addition, racial ethnic states are not PC, so I don't think the world would have been very accepting of this solution. For whatever reasons, the West is more accepting of a Jewish ethnic state than of a White racial state. Your comment that the world needs to see the missed opportunity of the Pals clearly is silly. The Pals had an amazing offer in 2000 from the Barak-Arafat-Clinton negotiations, responded with chaos, and who cares? Nobody but the Israelis, who live amidst the chaos. From what I saw of it regarding East Jerusalem, holy sites, and WB settlements, I would have turned it down as well.

To: Elroy who wrote (225529)	3/29/2007 12:33:24 PM
From: lazarre	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

neolib and elroy: good debate; reasoned and with not the typical acrimony. I wonder if the Barak/Clinton/Arafat proposal is still a politically viable one. It's a win-win for both sides ( in light of today, a bigger win for the Pals ). The fly in the ointment, as far as I could see, is Hamas. Olmert, I don't know. What a boon it would be for the world when resolution takes place. But let it be known, if and when the paper is signed and someone lobs a few dozen katushas into the new Israel, Israel has the right, once and for all, to eliminate the aggressor...no holds barred. lazarre