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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (1119)	5/29/2007 11:57:55 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4152

"I would have to concur with Nadine. From my readings of Zionism it was a secular (socialist) national movement, not one directly aimed at fulfilling biblical prophecy." I agree that the religious spokespersons do not consider the Nation of Israel to be a religious state at this point. The chief rabbis, however, expect the appearance of a Messiah who will bring that about some time in the future, do they not? I have not argued with her on that point. I consider it a shallow propagandized response to my comment. The secular (socialist) national movement has been abandoned. However, the glue that holds Israel together is stronger than ever. The glue of ethnicity, religion, and culture is not so easily separated. I am not interested on taking a side on whether or not Israel has a destiny foretold in scripture or whether it is simply the foundation of an ethnic group wanting power in the world. Jews don't even have that issue settled among themselves. Question: What is a Jew? Answers: 1)An ethnicity 2) A Jew is a person who has an historical heritage that stems from the son of Abraham named Isaac, referred to as Israel in religion and for religious purposes. 3) A member of the religion of Judaism. You may be ethnically a Jew while not practicing Judaism; however, your children's children may pick up the practice at any time suggesting a strong connection between ethnicity and religion. 4) Tradition: There is an established history of culture and language that is revived for the children of Jews who may have grown up having no personal history of Jewish culture or Hebrew. 5) Nationality: The Nation of Israel is a reclaimed nationality from ancient times, one founded in religion, culture, and ethnicity. 6) Religious: There are thirteen widely accepted 'Principles of faith,' recognized by Jewish practitioners. Some of these include belief in the Torah and the coming Messiah. Reformists and Reconstructivists lean more toward the view of a freely evolving religious civilization, but a religious civilization just the same. 7) National/Religious purpose: Rabbi Lord Immanuel Jakobovits, former Chief Rabbi of the United Synagogue of Great Britain, describes the mainstream Jewish view on this issue: "Yes, I do believe that the chosen people concept as affirmed by Judaism in its holy writ, its prayers, and its millennial tradition. In fact, I believe that every people—and indeed, in a more limited way, every individual—is "chosen" or destined for some distinct purpose in advancing the designs of Providence. Only, some fulfill their mission and others do not. Maybe the Greeks were chosen for their unique contributions to art and philosophy, the Romans for their pioneering services in law and government, the British for bringing parliamentary rule into the world, and the Americans for piloting democracy in a pluralistic society. The Jews were chosen by God to be 'peculiar unto Me' as the pioneers of religion and morality; that was and is their national purpose." 8) A human being choosing to be bound by an ethnic, religious and cultural identity and loyalties to a group, sometimes involved in internal or external conflict over those bonds.